I'm having trouble making my 2500A into a DL writer.  I flashed with 107v2b5d and DVDInfroPro recognizes it as a DVD+R DL and it sees my discs as DL but I can't get anything to burn onto them.  NeroInfoTool does not recognize it as DL and it and Roxio both say my discs are CD-R when they are DVD+R DL. Any ideas?

(in reply to drj)

Hi there.  I just tried to upgrade my firmware with the 1.07 patch referenced here.  I had v1.06 to start with.

I have a stack of 16x DVD-R's that worked fine (at 4x) before (with v1.06) I tried the update (to v1.07) and won't work at all after.  My 8x DVD-Rs still work (at 4x).  Nero does seem to think that I can now write DL DVDs, but I haven't tested this yet.

Are there any further updates that would prevent these from being expensive coasters?  I can't even downgrade to v1.06 as I can't seem to find it anywhere.

Here is the relevant info:
<from the Nero log for a successful write at 4x to the above mentioned 8x DVD-R>
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Windows XP 5.1
IA32
WinAspi: -
ahead WinASPI: File 'C:\Program Files\Ahead\Nero\Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=2.0.1.74, size=164112 bytes, created 10/26/2004 10:21:30 AM
Nero Version: 6.6.0.6
Recorder:             <_NEC DVD_RW ND-2500A>    Version: 1.07 - HA 1 TA 0 - 6.6.0.6
Adapter driver:      <atapi>                   HA 1
Drive buffer  :      2048kB
Bus Type      :      default (0) -> ATAPI, detected: ATAPI
CD-ROM:               <_NEC     DVD_RW ND-2500A >Version: 1.07 - HA 1 TA 0 - 6.6.0.6
Adapter driver:      <atapi>                   HA 1
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<from the failed attempt>
<first part is identical >
AutoRun : 1
Excluded drive IDs:
WriteBufferSize: 83886080 (0) Byte
ShowDrvBufStat : 0
BUFE           : 0
Physical memory     : 2047MB (2097151kB)
Free physical memory: 2047MB (2097151kB)
Memory in use       : 22 %
Uncached PFiles: 0x0
Use Inquiry    : 1
Global Bus Type: default (0)
Check supported media : Disabled (0)
7.12.2005
ISO compilation
6:40:20 PM #1 Text 0 File Isodoc.cpp, Line 6168
Iso document burn settings
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Determine maximum speed : TRUE
Simulate                : TRUE
Write                   : TRUE
Finalize CD             : FALSE
Multisession            : TRUE
Multisession type:      : Start multisession
Burning mode            : DAO
Mode                    : 1
ISO Level               : 2 (Max. of 31 chars)
Character set           : ISO 9660
Joliet                  : TRUE
Allow pathdepth more than 8 directories : TRUE
Allow more than 255 characters in path  : TRUE
Write ISO9660 ;1 file extensions        : TRUE

6:40:21 PM #2 Text 0 File Reader.cpp, Line 127
Reader running

6:40:21 PM #3 Text 0 File Writer.cpp, Line 122
Writer _NEC     DVD_RW ND-2500A  running

6:40:21 PM #4 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3286
First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)

6:40:21 PM #5 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3155
Turn on Disc-at-once, using DVD media

6:40:21 PM #6 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 257
Last possible write address on media:  2298495 (510:46.45, 4489MB)
Last address to be written:            1932255 (429:23.30, 3773MB)

6:40:21 PM #7 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 269
Write in overburning mode: NO (enabled: CD)

6:40:21 PM #8 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 2311
Recorder: _NEC DVD_RW ND-2500A, Media type: DVD-R
Disc Manufacturer: MCC 03 - RG20 
Disc Application Code: 64, Disc Physical Code: 193

6:40:21 PM #9 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 431
>>> Protocol of DlgWaitCD activities: <<<
=========================================

6:40:21 PM #10 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 829
Setup items (after recorder preparation)
0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 ()
    2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
    original disc pos #0 + 1932256 (1932256) = #1932256/429:23.31
    relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/ required, no patch infos
    -> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 1932256 blocks [_NEC     DVD_RW ND-2500A]
--------------------------------------------------------------

6:40:34 PM #11 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 1042
Prepare recorder [_NEC     DVD_RW ND-2500A] for write in CUE-sheet-DAO
DAO infos:
==========
MCN: ""
TOCType: 0x00; Session Closed, disc fixated
Tracks 1 to 1:
   1: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos             0             0    3957260288, ISRC ""
DAO layout:
===========
__Start_|____Track_|_Idx_|_CtrlAdr_|_RecDep__________
       0 |  lead-in |   0 |    0x41 | 0x00
       0 |        1 |   0 |    0x41 | 0x00
       0 |        1 |   1 |    0x41 | 0x00
1932256 | lead-out |   1 |    0x41 | 0x00

6:40:34 PM #12 Phase 24 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
Caching of files started

6:40:34 PM #13 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 4042
Cache writing successful.

6:40:34 PM #14 Phase 25 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
Caching of files completed

6:40:34 PM #15 Phase 28 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
Speed measurement started

6:40:34 PM #16 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2604
Verifying disc position of item 0 (relocatable, disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0

6:41:46 PM #17 Text 0 File WriterStatus.cpp, Line 116
<_NEC     DVD_RW ND-2500A > start writing Lead-Out at LBA 1932256 (1D7BE0h), lenght 0 blocks

6:41:46 PM #18 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 228
all writers idle, stopping conversion

6:41:46 PM #19 Phase 29 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1781
Speed measurement completed: 39.9x (55,120 KB/s)

6:41:46 PM #20 Phase 32 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
Simulation started at 2.4x (3,324 KB/s)

6:41:46 PM #21 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2604
Verifying disc position of item 0 (relocatable, disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0

6:41:46 PM #22 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 2300
Recording mode: Sequential Recording Mode

6:41:46 PM #23 Text 0 File Mmc.cpp, Line 21079
Set BUFE: Buffer underrun protection -> ON

6:41:46 PM #24 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 2441
Start write address at LBA 0
DVD high compatibility mode: Yes

6:41:46 PM #25 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 8332
---- DVD Structure: Physical Format Information (00h) ----
Layer: 0, Address: 0 (0 h), AGID: 0; Length: 2050
Book Type: DVD-R   (2), Part Version: 5
Disc Size: 120 mm,      Maximum Rate: <not specified> (F h)
Number of Layers: 1,    Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP),  Layer Type: recordable
Linear Density:         0,267 um/bit,  Track Density:  0,74 um/track
Starting Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 30000 h (DVD-ROM, DVD-R/-RW, DVD+R/+RW)
End Physical Sector Number of Data Area:      26127F h
End Sector Number in Layer 0:                 0 h
Data in Burst Cutting Area (BCA) does not exist
  Start sector number of the current Border-Out: 2FE10 h
  Start sector number of the next Border-In:     2FFA0 h
Media Specific [16..63]:
      00 60 00 10 20 30 40 50 - 00 00 00 21 00 00 00 00    .`...0@P...!....
      00 02 FE 10 00 02 FF A0 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
      00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................

6:41:46 PM #26 SCSI -1046 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1178
SCSI Exec, HA 1, TA 0, LUN 0
Status:     0x04 (0x01, SCSI_ERR)
HA-Status   0x00 (0x00, OK)
TA-Status   0x02 (0x01, SCSI_TASTATUS_CHKCOND)
Sense Key:  0x02 (KEY_NOT_READY)
Sense Code: 0x30
Sense Qual: 0x11
CDB Data:   0x53 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x1D 0x7B 0xE0 0x00 0x00 0x00
Sense Data: 0x70 0x00 0x02 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0A
            0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x30 0x11

6:41:46 PM #27 CDR -1046 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 1764
Illegal disc

6:41:46 PM #28 TRANSFER -27 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 1764
Could not perform start of Disc-at-once

6:41:46 PM #29 Phase 34 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
Simulation failed at 2.4x (3,324 KB/s)

Existing drivers:
File 'Drivers\PXHELP20.SYS': Ver=2.02.62a, size=20016 bytes, created 5/7/2004 10:01:14 AM (Prassi/Veritas driver for win 2K)
File 'Drivers\atapi.sys': Ver=5.1.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158), size=95360 bytes, created 8/4/2004 7:00:00 AM (Adapter driver for rec)
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Here is the info from DVDIdentifier:

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Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD-R:MCC 03RG20  ]
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Disc & Book Type :       [DVD-R] - [DVD-R]
Manufacturer Name :      [Mitsubishi Chemical Corp.]
Manufacturer ID :        [MCC 03RG20  ]
Blank Disc Capacity :    [2,298,496 Sectors = 4.71 GB (4.38 GiB)]
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
[ DVD Identifier V4.2.0 - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com ]
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

** INFO : Drive = _NEC DVD_RW ND-2500A [FW 1.07]
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD+R DVD+R-DL DVD+RW
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD-R DVD-RW
** INFO : Disc = [DVD-R:MCC 03RG20  ]
** INFO : Reference Speed : 1x DVD = 1385 kBps
** INFO : An Writeable Disc Is Recommended For Accurate Results
** INFO : Write Speeds (Supported By This Drive On This Disc) Listed Below

** INFO : GET PERFORMANCE Write Speed Descriptor(s)
** WARNING : Drive Did Not Report Any Write Speed Descriptors

** INFO : MODE SENSE Write Speed Descriptor(s) [Legacy Command]
** WARNING : MODE SENSE Is Obsolete And Not Always Properly Supported
Descriptor #1 =  5645 kBps ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 =  4234 kBps ( 3.06x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #3 =  3528 kBps ( 2.55x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #4 =  2822 kBps ( 2.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #5 =  1411 kBps ( 1.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #6 =   706 kBps ( 0.51x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
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I can show the ones for the 8x disc, but they just look normal.

As I said, it worked with the 8x disc, although it wouldn't recognize it as 8x.  I have written 8x discs before so I just assumed it was a compatibility issue and that was the reason I started looking for updates!

I would appreciate any help you can give me

Chamowlie

(in reply to daufoi)

I have been unable to have my NEC 2510A DL drive recognize the Memorex DVD+R D/L disk. Any help would be appreciated.

(in reply to emperor)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Whiterim

I have been unable to have my NEC 2510A DL drive recognize the Memorex DVD+R D/L disk. Any help would be appreciated.

What is the MID of your media?

(in reply to Whiterim)

What do you mean by MID?

(in reply to tqhoang)

Whiterim, I flashed with 2.F8 found on the Dangerous Brother's site through DOS and now with Nero I can burn my Memorex double layers.

(in reply to PikaGoku)

quote:

ORIGINAL: PikaGoku

What do you mean by MID?

Manufacturer ID...you can use something like DVDInfoPro or DVD Identifier to get this info from the disc.

(in reply to PikaGoku)

quote:

ORIGINAL: PikaGoku

Whiterim, I flashed with 2.F8 found on the Dangerous Brother's site through DOS and now with Nero I can burn my Memorex double layers.

You might want to use the 2.F9 for the latest goodies.

Here's an NEC archive that is actively maintained by ScorpioSoft. 
http://www.micheldeboer.nl/firmware/index.html

Although Liggy & Dee's page is where the action really happens.  UPDATE: Looks like they have gone off-line!!! 
http://liggydee.cdfreaks.com/page/

(in reply to PikaGoku)

 
I have found out another problem, my recoerder does not work with Verbatim DVDR of 16x, Nero says invalid disk. I have a friend with the same recorder without the update and he says the same disks work on his recorder, so I guess it is a problem of the firmware. Until now, every DVD+-R worked well, even 8x, but this is the first time I try 16x. Also, nero detects them as 2.4x disks, not 16x or 8x.

I have installed Nero 7 Ultra Edition also to see if the problem of DL gets solved, but I will not be able to test it until I have some DVD9 to burn.


I have been looking to see if I did any backup of the original firmware, but I only found a bin file with name ver107BK.bin, I do not think this is the original, grrrr... I can´t believe I did not do a backup, snifff...



Best regards and thank you.

quote:

ORIGINAL: emperor

try to upgrade to the latest Nero 6.6.xx version

(in reply to emperor)

Well, I have partially solved my problem, it was a problem of the firmware, I installed the oficial 1.06 and the disc was now working, but at 4x, I installed oficial 1.07 and again, only at 4x, so I had to install oficial 1.0A to get the real speed of the discs, but of course, I have lost the DL capability, anyway, I was not able to record any DL disc I tried, so.....

Now a question, is there any modded firmware with DL capability that is newer than the 1.07? In this caase, I will try with the new one, I am interested in going on trying to get DL capability to work.


Best regards and thank you.

quote:

ORIGINAL: drj


I have found out another problem, my recoerder does not work with Verbatim DVDR of 16x, Nero says invalid disk. I have a friend with the same recorder without the update and he says the same disks work on his recorder, so I guess it is a problem of the firmware. Until now, every DVD+-R worked well, even 8x, but this is the first time I try 16x. Also, nero detects them as 2.4x disks, not 16x or 8x.

I have installed Nero 7 Ultra Edition also to see if the problem of DL gets solved, but I will not be able to test it until I have some DVD9 to burn.


I have been looking to see if I did any backup of the original firmware, but I only found a bin file with name ver107BK.bin, I do not think this is the original, grrrr... I can´t believe I did not do a backup, snifff...



Best regards and thank you.

quote:

ORIGINAL: emperor

try to upgrade to the latest Nero 6.6.xx version

(in reply to drj)

If booktype bitsetting is not that important to you, then the latest firmware you can flash is the 205C or 205D (hacked to add more media). 
http://www.micheldeboer.nl/firmware/25x0/NECND251_205C.zip
http://www.micheldeboer.nl/firmware/25x0/205d_rpc1.zip

But if you really need to booktype your DVD+R(W) discs, then go with the 2.F9 that I mentioned above. 
http://www.micheldeboer.nl/firmware/25x0/25x0_2F9_RPC+RL.rar

Do not worry, all the NEC ND-2xxx are the same hardware.  Just make sure you use the NEC binflash to update the firmware and not the integrated firmware updater from NEC (ex:  the 205C above comes with the NEC updater).
http://www.micheldeboer.nl/firmware/utilities/necflash_wingui.zip

(in reply to drj)

Thank you very much. Do these firmwares all support DL?. I did not remember what was booktype good for, can you tell me?.


Best regards and thank yo in advance, I will try these firmwares....

quote:

ORIGINAL: tqhoang

If booktype bitsetting is not that important to you, then the latest firmware you can flash is the 205C or 205D (hacked to add more media). 
http://www.micheldeboer.nl/firmware/25x0/NECND251_205C.zip
http://www.micheldeboer.nl/firmware/25x0/205d_rpc1.zip

But if you really need to booktype your DVD+R(W) discs, then go with the 2.F9 that I mentioned above. 
http://www.micheldeboer.nl/firmware/25x0/25x0_2F9_RPC+RL.rar

Do not worry, all the NEC ND-2xxx are the same hardware.  Just make sure you use the NEC binflash to update the firmware and not the integrated firmware updater from NEC (ex:  the 205C above comes with the NEC updater).
http://www.micheldeboer.nl/firmware/utilities/necflash_wingui.zip

(in reply to tqhoang)

quote:

ORIGINAL: drj

Thank you very much. Do these firmwares all support DL?. I did not remember what was booktype good for, can you tell me?.


Best regards and thank yo in advance, I will try these firmwares....

Yes, all three of those are for the ND-2510 which supports +R DL media.  Booktype is a descriptor on +R(W)(DL) media that helps make it compatible with older console DVD players.  Basically you change it to "DVD-ROM" and it tells the player to treat the media like pressed DVD-ROM media.

FWIW, the 205D auto-booktype's the DVD+R DL media to "DVD-ROM" but doesn't let you change the booktype on DVD+R(W) media.  I suggest you try that one first since it is the latest and probably last firmware for the ND-2xxx series.

(in reply to drj)

First of all, thank you for all your good and fast support. Yesterday I did not read this last message, so, as I saw you were using 2F9, I thought this could be fine, so I used it and it seems to be working fine, now I can change booktype, I have been able to create DVD videos compatible with my very delicate hifi/dvd system, and I have DL compatibility, but I have not anything to record in a DL, so I have not test this, I hope it works.

Anyway, I have what I wanted with this firmware, X8, Booktype and Dl, thank you very much to you, my friend.


Best regards.

quote:

ORIGINAL: tqhoang

quote:

ORIGINAL: drj

Thank you very much. Do these firmwares all support DL?. I did not remember what was booktype good for, can you tell me?.


Best regards and thank yo in advance, I will try these firmwares....

Yes, all three of those are for the ND-2510 which supports +R DL media.  Booktype is a descriptor on +R(W)(DL) media that helps make it compatible with older console DVD players.  Basically you change it to "DVD-ROM" and it tells the player to treat the media like pressed DVD-ROM media.

FWIW, the 205D auto-booktype's the DVD+R DL media to "DVD-ROM" but doesn't let you change the booktype on DVD+R(W) media.  I suggest you try that one first since it is the latest and probably last firmware for the ND-2xxx series.

(in reply to tqhoang)

OK, yesterday I recorded a Traxdata DL disc and it worked perfectly, so thanks again for all your help.




Best regards.

(in reply to drj)