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RE: Buying a Plextor - 5/24/2002 8:14:05 PM   
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Hi burner1000000

Man that type of copy protection sounds like the the "Anti-Thief" system in my 2001 Accord V-6, the ignition key looks like a regular key, but it completes the ignition circuit to start the vehicle, and if the kids think that they can take the key and have a copy made so they can sneak the car away some night, wrong, it's not the same key, and only the owner of that particular vehicle can get another key like it.

I can't remember what forum I read it at, I think it was this one, but it essentially said that it was LEGAL to make a single copy of any disc. And they gave the website, like you did, of this law.

And George Orwell seems to have had an excellent working knowledge of how "Power Corrupts and Absolute Power, Corrupts Absolutely!"



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RE: Buying a Plextor - 5/24/2002 8:22:06 PM   
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Well thank GOD that I live in the UK we can Legaly make a back-up copy of any Program we own and I know you are going to say it will change, well even when it does the Powers that Be, will be still to busy trying to stop the damed so called Refugees sneaking into our country for a free meal and lodgings from France through the Channel Tunnel so I don't think they will be that bothered about us backing up our Legaly owned Programs.

This will let some more hornets out of the nest

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RE: Buying a Plextor - 5/24/2002 8:41:17 PM   
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Australia has to trade with someone, therefore, it is only a matter of time before they fall in line. Australia already has the law. It is just loosely enforced. I don't think that the individual will be directly affected (they are not going to go after Clint, specifically, as an individual), but the fallout and new copy protections will have the same effect.



They better not go after me, because I'll know who told them I make safety backups...

Australia trading!? - Thats probably our main source of products! Anything we have here is most likely came from a foriegn country

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RE: Buying a Plextor - 5/24/2002 8:47:54 PM   
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Laffin Assassin
Clint


You both are a RIOT!!! Man you gave me what I really need each and everyday, "A GOOD LAUGH!"



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RE: Buying a Plextor - 5/24/2002 9:28:53 PM   
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Hey Clint
Why don't you move out with Crocodile Dundee they would never dream of going out there to find you. By the way if you do will you get me his hat I love it.
and you say "Anything we have here is most likely came from a foriegn country" Your dead right about that we even sent you our Convicts. LOL

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RE: Buying a Plextor - 5/24/2002 9:46:28 PM   
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Hey Clint
Why don't you move out with Crocodile Dundee they would never dream of going out there to find you. By the way if you do will you get me his hat I love it.
and you say "Anything we have here is most likely came from a foriegn country" Your dead right about that we even sent you our Convicts. LOL

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He doesn't live out in the bush or whatever you think, he is a multi-millionair, living the high life now

Yeah, too right. Not only did you Poms send us your refugees, so does East Timor, Indonesia, China and anywhere you can think of There's so many people of Asian desent in our major city (Sydney), you'd think it was Beijing, China!

But is ok, we're 'usually' not worried (our Government is [worried that is]) or racest

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RE: Buying a Plextor - 5/24/2002 9:56:55 PM   
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Yeah but you got your own back you sent us Rolf Harris,Kyle Minogue And Neighbours and Home and Away. If you will take all them back We will take all or Convicts back.

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RE: Buying a Plextor - 5/24/2002 10:05:06 PM   
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Yeah but you got your own back you sent us Rolf Harris,Kyle Minogue And Neighbours and Home and Away. If you will take all them back We will take all or Convicts back.

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REALLY!? Yous get Home and Away and Neighbours???????

I thought that they were "Ozzie" exclusives
Gotta love those shows

*John may not like this off topic stuff, Laffin *

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RE: Buying a Plextor - 5/24/2002 10:13:15 PM   
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I was just thinking that myself so I will apologise before I get my warning. Sorry John back to normal work.
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RE: Buying a Plextor - 5/24/2002 10:22:41 PM   
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Lets say i would prefer more comments upon the CD/DVD format but you always talking about other stuff too.

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RE: Buying a Plextor - 5/24/2002 10:36:02 PM   
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Lets say i would prefer more comments upon the CD/DVD format but you always talking about other stuff too.

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And me, I'd better behave too

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RE: Buying a Plextor - 5/24/2002 11:57:56 PM   
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Sorry John, I was apart of it too, in fact I might have even started it, so I'll take my rap on the hand!

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RE: Buying a Plextor - 5/25/2002 4:23:36 AM   
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Anything that can be read can be copied. So even if they used a unique code the drive has to be able to read this code for it to be effective so what's to stop people from simply copying that code.


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RE: Buying a Plextor - 5/25/2002 6:25:25 AM   
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Gooberslot: That theory has been proven *INCORRECT* from the very time SD v2.XX.XX was introduced.

Here is what CloneCD author says on this article about SD2 (http://www.cdmediaworld.com/hardware/cdrom/news/0101/safedisc2.shtml)

An abstact from the article by Oliver Kastl;

quote:

I must admit, this is a very, very cool protection (SafeDisc 2): Something is on the original which can be read, and not be written. I really didn't believe such a protection is possible.



So that statement you made is wrong...




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RE: Buying a Plextor - 5/26/2002 6:41:28 AM   
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Then how come the Lite-On's can produce 1:1 copies of SD2? Besides even if there wasn't a drive that could copy the protection who's to say such a drive couldn't be made.


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RE: Buying a Plextor - 5/26/2002 7:04:30 AM   
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Then how come the Lite-On's can produce 1:1 copies of SD2? Besides even if there wasn't a drive that could copy the protection who's to say such a drive couldn't be made.




Now you see thats the whole point! At the time when SD2 was launched it proved that not everything that could be read can be written. And then a year or so later there ended up being drives that could write it perfect.
So based on the past, no ones to say that such a drive couldn't be made to copy StarForce.

It was all to do with SD2 overloading the drives EFM encoders that produced coasters with most recorders. So on the read everything went well (apart from the intentional read errors from sectors 0 --> 10,000 or so SafeDisc puts on the game at the start of a read), but on the write, this was where the real protection kicked in. Previously, only units based on Philips hardware were only able to copy SD2. Now v2.51.021 was introduced, it cuts the SD2 killers right back again (deleating Plextor's 24x and 40x from the known defeaters of SD2.51.021 list).

I hope I have explained it clear enough for you to understand this time

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Edited by - Clint on 05/26/2002 07:16:26

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