quote:

ORIGINAL: Antonio

yeap...maybe the side fan mess up the air flow in the case. try to stop him for a while.

the side fan .. the generic one is on the buttom of the side door ... and at the moment its off cause I didnt had free 3-pin to connect it to :)
beside .. warm air rises up .. so it aint the problem :) cause its in the buttom :)

(in reply to Antonio)

I found this, take a look it is too helpful.

http://www.short-media.com/review.php?r=230

(in reply to major9686)

Leave fans out of this...if you have 5 (4 working) of them as you said...its ok...

Problem is either in:
-Bios
-cooler installation problem (or some thermal compound missing or not enough of it or something like this...)
-sensor problem
-something else....god knows...

Sorry but i forgot what you said about "random lockups"? Do you experience them? or some other problems while running at 100% load for some time? anything?

Because at 75degrees+ there would surely be some problems arrising...or computer would reset for no reason and stuff....so...how about that?

Good luck!


EDIT:
And yes...the link above that Antonio provided just prooves my theory....that it has nothing to do with case fans...cause if you look at that article...you will see that even the case WITHOUT ANY FANS had "only" 58 degrees @ cpu at 100% load and 52 at idle....and board temps were 51 and 47 (load and idle)... So this Myth is BUSTED (by MythBusters).... 

(in reply to major9686)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SiliconFreak

Leave fans out of this...if you have 5 (4 working) of them as you said...its ok...

Problem is either in:
-Bios
-cooler installation problem (or some thermal compound missing or not enough of it or something like this...)
-sensor problem
-something else....god knows...

Sorry but i forgot what you said about "random lockups"? Do you experience them? or some other problems while running at 100% load for some time? anything?

Because at 75degrees+ there would surely be some problems arrising...or computer would reset for no reason and stuff....so...how about that?

Good luck!

there was only 1 reset .. which had to do with me browsin and the new firewall I installed .. just did a reset .. there were some errors in the system logs .. but it wasnt about the heatin of the proccessor ..
hmm .. well .. my winamp music kinda bumped abit but thats all .. I do believe that the onboard VGA had something to do with that ;)
hmm ...
I dont know :(
I will add more fans just for the fun of it ;) ha ha ...

EDIT -> I will replace the generic fans with better ones .. that run abit faster and do a better job ..
also .. I wanna add the top case fan .. thats a must .. to take all the hot air from the roof of the case outside ;) maybe even do few air holes there .. without addin' a fan hole+fan .. :)

(in reply to SiliconFreak)

hahahaha....ok....so your case will look like the one in the article? with some 20 fans....

Just dont forget to take some picture of it in that case and post it here...


Cya around soon...

(in reply to major9686)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SiliconFreak

hahahaha....ok....so your case will look like the one in the article? with some 20 fans....

Just dont forget to take some picture of it in that case and post it here...


Cya around soon...

Will do ..
Cya mate ;)

(PS. Im still here .. ha ha ha ;))

quote:

ORIGINAL: Antonio

I found this, take a look it is too helpful.

http://www.short-media.com/review.php?r=230

what am I suppose to understand from that ?!
whats the best fan config ?

PS. The black case in that link .. its the one I have !!! :)

(in reply to Antonio)

As I stated before, CALM DOWN.

It is normal for a P4 running at this fast Ghz to run HOT, the prescott does this normally.  The P4 will protect itself and start to throttle at 95c..... NOTICE I SAID 95c!!!!!!!

It is "normal"

When I first started building Prescott systems, I went through EVERY cooler imaginable just like you are doing.  I then emailed Intel, and Asus, and was told it was "normal"

(in reply to major9686)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MP3Mogul

As I stated before, CALM DOWN.

It is normal for a P4 running at this fast Ghz to run HOT, the prescott does this normally.  The P4 will protect itself and start to throttle at 95c..... NOTICE I SAID 95c!!!!!!!

It is "normal"

what is throttle ?
and .. I affraid it will go that high and just melt or somehting :(
I paid 1010nis for it :(
hmm .. anyways .. I still need to get an official word from intel or asus about this ...
hope they will answer me :(

PS. How do you explain that some people with that kind of Ghz get this temp. ?
"I just got a Typhoon and it seeems to work well I have my 3.2 P4 OC to 3.9 and I am seeing 20-21 at Idle and 34-35 max. One thing trow Its huge so make sure you have the room."

Here some temp. and v. and rpm. of my system :

(in reply to MP3Mogul)

Got your PM...

Throttle is speed up... and with more speed, comes more heat.

Now, if you are worried about heat, which MP3Mogul is right - calm down, especially if you are not locking up....    Your going to get lock-ups if the temp gets too high first.

I assume you just built your first system.  My friend, you did fine, and I understand your concern.  It works and you've got an OS and some apps on it.  If you are over-clocking, I suggest you look at some other cooling devices and use a good thermal paste.  Heck, I'd probably do that anyway.... and like I said before, I've got big hands and it's never been a problem for me.  The hardest thing I've ever done building a system is hooking up the damn power button, speaker, reset, etc... 

Tell us about your case selection, the PSU, etc.

(in reply to major9686)

Actually,

  Throttle when talking in terms of P4 means the chip has heated up too much and it will "throttle" down to cool itself off.  And believe me, you will NEVER reach 95c under ANY normal condition.  This 95c throttle was produced by unplugging all fans in the case including the CPU fan by Intel!

  You will not melt anything.... TRUST ME....... Also and SithTracy stated above about overclocking.  I DO NOT RECOMMEND overclocking any P4 running at 3.0Ghz or higher unless you have an icecube on it....

   The people you state are telling you their temps are lower are NOT using Prescott chips.  Your Chip a 478 Chip is a PRESCOTT chip, and the temps are normal for it.

(in reply to SithTracy)

Exactly!

Just listen to our 2 guys above major6986...they r right...

And also...I personally believe that the person who posted those temps was either living in Iceland or lying like XXXX... Because even nonOC'd systems cant get such low temperatures...not even watter cooled ones....maybe only subzero solution could yield such results...but surely not P4 3.2 (any core) OC to 3.9 ! 35 max,hahahahahaha....and 20 idle? come onnnnnn....to get that...you would need to live in some place with max 10-15 degrees celsius ambient temperature...and even then....I can hardly imagine all that...not with 3.9 monster inside....

Cya....

(in reply to MP3Mogul)

major9686 I gave you this link in order to see that many fans are not always the best option.
"PS. How do you explain that some people with that kind of Ghz get this temp. ?
"I just got a Typhoon and it seeems to work well I have my 3.2 P4 OC to 3.9 and I am seeing 20-21 at Idle and 34-35 max. One thing trow Its huge so make sure you have the room."
If you put the system in a freezer you'll have such tempraturers...

(in reply to SiliconFreak)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SithTracy

Got your PM...

Throttle is speed up... and with more speed, comes more heat.

Now, if you are worried about heat, which MP3Mogul is right - calm down, especially if you are not locking up....    Your going to get lock-ups if the temp gets too high first.

I assume you just built your first system.  My friend, you did fine, and I understand your concern.  It works and you've got an OS and some apps on it.  If you are over-clocking, I suggest you look at some other cooling devices and use a good thermal paste.  Heck, I'd probably do that anyway.... and like I said before, I've got big hands and it's never been a problem for me.  The hardest thing I've ever done building a system is hooking up the damn power button, speaker, reset, etc... 

Tell us about your case selection, the PSU, etc.

well .. its actually my 3rd system ;) that I built .. and I really believes that the problem is with the bios or the sensors .. maybe voltage is wrong by system or bios .. I dont know :(
Case :  hmm .. Ive got some Chieftech Dragon full tower I think .. it has 4 spaces for CD and 2 for floppy ...
Ive got Enermax 350w or something like that ..
well .. I do noticed that it has only 20 pin connector for the motherboard and not 24pin like the new ones has ... (extra +12v -12v)
so on the mother board Ive got 2 power slots ..
1. near the cpu - you need to connect square 4 pin to it from the PSU ..
2. near the IDE slot, its needs 24 pin from the PSU (I only got 20pin connector so it lefts 4 pins empty ...) maybe I need some adapter for it ? from 20->24 pin ?
or to buy a new PSU with about 400w and that has round cables .. ?

quote:

ORIGINAL: Antonio

major9686 I gave you this link in order to see that many fans are not always the best option.
"PS. How do you explain that some people with that kind of Ghz get this temp. ?
"I just got a Typhoon and it seeems to work well I have my 3.2 P4 OC to 3.9 and I am seeing 20-21 at Idle and 34-35 max. One thing trow Its huge so make sure you have the room."
If you put the system in a freezer you'll have such tempraturers...

maybe I will try it .. ;) or get some mobile  A\C and put it next to my PC ;) ha ha ..
I already plan to do it .. it gets really hot in israel durin summer ... and I must get a mobile personal A\C For myself .. and I think to locate it next to the case intake fans :) ha ha ..

(in reply to SithTracy)

If your room temprature is 40 or more degrees is logical to have such tempratures in your case.

(in reply to major9686)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Antonio

If your room temprature is 40 or more degrees is logical to have such tempratures in your case.

the room now has ~24c .. on summer it can get to 30-40 .. depends ;)

some sites about the 630 :
http://processorfinder.intel.com/scripts/details.asp?sSpec=SL7Z9&ProcFam=483&PkgType=ALL&SysBusSpd=ALL&CorSpd=ALL

http://www.intel.com/design/Pentium4/guides/302553.htm

my case :
http://www.directron.com/chieftec.html

this is the exact kind I have :
http://www.directron.com/dx01bld.html

(in reply to Antonio)

Here a pic .. of some various programs temp. and voltage readings .. :( wierd

I also ran a diagnose with Sandra and for cpu&bios .. and this is what I got :
SiSoftware Sandra

Processor
Model : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz
Speed : 3.00GHz
Performance Rating : PR3990 (estimated)
Cores per Processor : 1 Unit(s)
Threads per Core : 2 Unit(s)
Package : FC LGA775
Rated Speed/FSB : 3000MHz / 4x 200MHz
Multiplier : 15/1x
Minimum/Maximum Multiplier : 1/1x / 15/1x
Generation : G8
Name : P4P-T/J (Prescott) Pentium 4E 90nm 2.8-3.8GHz 1.25-1.40V
Revision/Stepping : 4 / 3 (0)
Microcode : MU0F4304
Maximum Physical / Virtual Addressing : 36-bit / 48-bit
Native Page Size : 4kB
Part Number : To Be Filled By O.E.M.
Asset Tag : To Be Filled By O.E.M.
Serial Number : To Be Filled By O.E.M.

Co-Processor (FPU)
Type : Built-in
Revision/Stepping : 4 / 3 (0)

Processor Cache(s)
Internal Data Cache : 16kB Synchronous, Write-Thru, 8-way set, 64 byte line size, 2 threads sharing
Internal Trace Cache : 12kB Synchronous, Write-Thru, 8-way set, 64 byte line size
L2 On-board Cache : 2MB ECC Synchronous, ATC, 8-way set, 64 byte line size, 2 lines per sector, 2 threads sharing
L2 Cache Multiplier : 1/1x  (3000MHz)

Upgradeability
Socket/Slot : Socket 775
Upgrade Interface : Other
Supported Speed(s) : 3.80GHz+

Features
FPU - Co-Processor Built-in : Yes
VME - Virtual Mode Extensions : Yes
DE - Debugging Extension : Yes
PSE - Page Size Extension : Yes
TSC - Time Stamp Counter : Yes
MSR - Model Specific Registers : Yes
PAE - Physical Address Extension : Yes
MCE - Machine Check Exception : Yes
CX8 - Compare & Exchange 8-bytes Instruction : Yes
APIC - Local APIC Built-in : Yes
SEP - Fast System Call : Yes
MTRR - Memory Type Range Registers : Yes
PGE - Page Global Enable : Yes
MCA - Machine Check Architecture : Yes
PAT - Page Attribute Table : Yes
PSE36 - 36-bit Page Size Extension : Yes
PSN - Unique Serial Number : No
CLF - Cache Line Flush Support : Yes
DS - Debug Trace & EMON Store : Yes
ACPI - Software Clock Control : Yes
(W)MMX Technology : Yes
FXSR - Fast Float Save & Restore : Yes
SSE Technology : Yes
SSE2 Technology : Yes
SS - Self Snoop : Yes
HTT - Hyper-Threading Technology : Yes
TM - Thermal Monitor : Yes
PBE - Pending Break Enable : Yes
IA64 Technology : No
SSE3 Technology : Yes
MON - Monitor/MWait : Yes
DSCPL - CPL qualified Debug Store : Yes
VMX - Virtual Machine eXtensions : No
EST - Enhanced SpeedStep Technology : Yes
TM2 - Thermal Monitor 2 : No
SSE4 Technology : No
CID - Context ID : Yes
CX16 - Compare & Exchange 16-bytes Instruction : Yes
xTPR - Send Task Priority Messages : Yes
DAZ - Denormals Are Zero : Yes

Extended Features
EMMX - Extended MMX Technology : No
3DNow! Technology : No
Extended 3DNow! Technology : No
XD/NX - No-execute Page Protection : No
AMD64/EM64T Technology : Yes

Advanced Settings
Data Error Checking : No
Fast Strings : Yes
x86 FPU Compatibility Mode : No
Prefetch Queue : Yes
Branch Trace Storage : Yes
Data Cache Active Mode : Yes
IO Queue Depth : 12 request(s)
TM - Thermal Monitor : Yes
TM2 - Thermal Monitor 2 : No
Specific Platform Requirements : No
Control Temperature : 66.0°C / 150.8°F

MP Settings
Maximum Supported Configuration : 2-way
Bootstrap CPU : Yes
Global APIC Engaged : Yes
APIC ID : 0
APIC Cluster ID : 0
Arbitration ID : 0

Machine Check Architecture Settings
Number of Reporting Banks : 4 bank(s)
Extended Machine Check Support : Yes
Number of Extended Reporting Banks : 24 bank(s)

Variable Range MTRR Settings
MTRR 0 : 00000000-3FFFFFFF (0MB-1024MB) WB
MTRR 1 : 3F800000-3FFFFFFF (1016MB-1024MB) UC

Fixed Range MTRR Settings
MTRR 0 Range 0 : 00000000-0000FFFF (0kB-64kB) WB
MTRR 0 Range 1 : 00010000-0001FFFF (64kB-128kB) WB
MTRR 0 Range 2 : 00020000-0002FFFF (128kB-192kB) WB
MTRR 0 Range 3 : 00030000-0003FFFF (192kB-256kB) WB
MTRR 0 Range 4 : 00040000-0004FFFF (256kB-320kB) WB
MTRR 0 Range 5 : 00050000-0005FFFF (320kB-384kB) WB
MTRR 0 Range 6 : 00060000-0006FFFF (384kB-448kB) WB
MTRR 0 Range 7 : 00070000-0007FFFF (448kB-512kB) WB
MTRR 1 Range 0 : 00080000-00083FFF (512kB-528kB) WB
MTRR 1 Range 1 : 00084000-00087FFF (528kB-544kB) WB
MTRR 1 Range 2 : 00088000-0008BFFF (544kB-560kB) WB
MTRR 1 Range 3 : 0008C000-0008FFFF (560kB-576kB) WB
MTRR 1 Range 4 : 00090000-00093FFF (576kB-592kB) WB
MTRR 1 Range 5 : 00094000-00097FFF (592kB-608kB) WB
MTRR 1 Range 6 : 00098000-0009BFFF (608kB-624kB) WB
MTRR 1 Range 7 : 0009C000-0009FFFF (624kB-640kB) WB
MTRR 2 Range 0 : 000A0000-000A3FFF (640kB-656kB) UC
MTRR 2 Range 1 : 000A4000-000A7FFF (656kB-672kB) UC
MTRR 2 Range 2 : 000A8000-000ABFFF (672kB-688kB) UC
MTRR 2 Range 3 : 000AC000-000AFFFF (688kB-704kB) UC
MTRR 2 Range 4 : 000B0000-000B3FFF (704kB-720kB) UC
MTRR 2 Range 5 : 000B4000-000B7FFF (720kB-736kB) UC
MTRR 2 Range 6 : 000B8000-000BBFFF (736kB-752kB) UC
MTRR 2 Range 7 : 000BC000-000BFFFF (752kB-768kB) UC
MTRR 3 Range 0 : 000C0000-000C0FFF (768kB-772kB) UC
MTRR 3 Range 1 : 000C1000-000C1FFF (772kB-776kB) UC
MTRR 3 Range 2 : 000C2000-000C2FFF (776kB-780kB) UC
MTRR 3 Range 3 : 000C3000-000C3FFF (780kB-784kB) UC
MTRR 3 Range 4 : 000C4000-000C4FFF (784kB-788kB) UC
MTRR 3 Range 5 : 000C5000-000C5FFF (788kB-792kB) UC
MTRR 3 Range 6 : 000C6000-000C6FFF (792kB-796kB) UC
MTRR 3 Range 7 : 000C7000-000C7FFF (796kB-800kB) UC
MTRR 4 Range 0 : 000C8000-000C8FFF (800kB-804kB) UC
MTRR 4 Range 1 : 000C9000-000C9FFF (804kB-808kB) UC
MTRR 4 Range 2 : 000CA000-000CAFFF (808kB-812kB) UC
MTRR 4 Range 3 : 000CB000-000CBFFF (812kB-816kB) UC
MTRR 4 Range 4 : 000CC000-000CCFFF (816kB-820kB) UC
MTRR 4 Range 5 : 000CD000-000CDFFF (820kB-824kB) UC
MTRR 4 Range 6 : 000CE000-000CEFFF (824kB-828kB) UC
MTRR 4 Range 7 : 000CF000-000CFFFF (828kB-832kB) UC
MTRR 5 Range 0 : 000D0000-000D0FFF (832kB-836kB) UC
MTRR 5 Range 1 : 000D1000-000D1FFF (836kB-840kB) UC
MTRR 5 Range 2 : 000D2000-000D2FFF (840kB-844kB) UC
MTRR 5 Range 3 : 000D3000-000D3FFF (844kB-848kB) UC
MTRR 5 Range 4 : 000D4000-000D4FFF (848kB-852kB) UC
MTRR 5 Range 5 : 000D5000-000D5FFF (852kB-856kB) UC
MTRR 5 Range 6 : 000D6000-000D6FFF (856kB-860kB) UC
MTRR 5 Range 7 : 000D7000-000D7FFF (860kB-864kB) UC
MTRR 6 Range 0 : 000D8000-000D8FFF (864kB-868kB) UC
MTRR 6 Range 1 : 000D9000-000D9FFF (868kB-872kB) UC
MTRR 6 Range 2 : 000DA000-000DAFFF (872kB-876kB) UC
MTRR 6 Range 3 : 000DB000-000DBFFF (876kB-880kB) UC
MTRR 6 Range 4 : 000DC000-000DCFFF (880kB-884kB) UC
MTRR 6 Range 5 : 000DD000-000DDFFF (884kB-888kB) UC
MTRR 6 Range 6 : 000DE000-000DEFFF (888kB-892kB) UC
MTRR 6 Range 7 : 000DF000-000DFFFF (892kB-896kB) UC
MTRR 7 Range 0 : 000E0000-000E0FFF (896kB-900kB) WT
MTRR 7 Range 1 : 000E1000-000E1FFF (900kB-904kB) WT
MTRR 7 Range 2 : 000E2000-000E2FFF (904kB-908kB) WT
MTRR 7 Range 3 : 000E3000-000E3FFF (908kB-912kB) WT
MTRR 7 Range 4 : 000E4000-000E4FFF (912kB-916kB) WT
MTRR 7 Range 5 : 000E5000-000E5FFF (916kB-920kB) WT
MTRR 7 Range 6 : 000E6000-000E6FFF (920kB-924kB) WT
MTRR 7 Range 7 : 000E7000-000E7FFF (924kB-928kB) WT
MTRR 8 Range 0 : 000E8000-000E8FFF (928kB-932kB) WT
MTRR 8 Range 1 : 000E9000-000E9FFF (932kB-936kB) WT
MTRR 8 Range 2 : 000EA000-000EAFFF (936kB-940kB) WT
MTRR 8 Range 3 : 000EB000-000EBFFF (940kB-944kB) WT
MTRR 8 Range 4 : 000EC000-000ECFFF (944kB-948kB) WT
MTRR 8 Range 5 : 000ED000-000EDFFF (948kB-952kB) WT
MTRR 8 Range 6 : 000EE000-000EEFFF (952kB-956kB) WT
MTRR 8 Range 7 : 000EF000-000EFFFF (956kB-960kB) WT
MTRR 9 Range 0 : 000F0000-000F0FFF (960kB-964kB) WP
MTRR 9 Range 1 : 000F1000-000F1FFF (964kB-968kB) WP
MTRR 9 Range 2 : 000F2000-000F2FFF (968kB-972kB) WP
MTRR 9 Range 3 : 000F3000-000F3FFF (972kB-976kB) WP
MTRR 9 Range 4 : 000F4000-000F4FFF (976kB-980kB) WP
MTRR 9 Range 5 : 000F5000-000F5FFF (980kB-984kB) WP
MTRR 9 Range 6 : 000F6000-000F6FFF (984kB-988kB) WP
MTRR 9 Range 7 : 000F7000-000F7FFF (988kB-992kB) WP
MTRR 10 Range 0 : 000F8000-000F8FFF (992kB-996kB) WP
MTRR 10 Range 1 : 000F9000-000F9FFF (996kB-1000kB) WP
MTRR 10 Range 2 : 000FA000-000FAFFF (1000kB-1004kB) WP
MTRR 10 Range 3 : 000FB000-000FBFFF (1004kB-1008kB) WP
MTRR 10 Range 4 : 000FC000-000FCFFF (1008kB-1012kB) WP
MTRR 10 Range 5 : 000FD000-000FDFFF (1012kB-1016kB) WP
MTRR 10 Range 6 : 000FE000-000FEFFF (1016kB-1020kB) WP
MTRR 10 Range 7 : 000FF000-000FFFFF (1020kB-1024kB) WP

PAT Settings
PAT 0 : WB
PAT 1 : WC
PAT 2 : UC-
PAT 3 : UC
PAT 4 : WB
PAT 5 : WC
PAT 6 : UC-
PAT 7 : UC

Performance Tips
Tip 210 : Mainboard supports faster CPUs, so the CPU can be upgraded when needed.
Notice 224 : SMBIOS/DMI information may be inaccurate.
Tip 2 : Double-click tip or press Enter while a tip is selected for more information about the tip.


BIOS :
SiSoftware Sandra

General Information
Manufacturer : American Megatrends Inc.
Version : 0128
Date of Manufacture : יום רביעי 11 מאי 2005
Plug & Play Version : 1.00
SMBIOS/DMI Version : 2.30
(EE)PROM Size : 512kB

General Capabilities
Can be Updated/Flashed : Yes
Can be Shadowed : Yes
Is Socketed : Yes
Supports Plug & Play : Yes
Supports ESCD : Yes
Supports Enhanced Disk Drive : Yes
NEC PC-98 Spec Compatible : No

Power Management Features
Supports APM : Yes
Supports ACPI : Yes
Supports Smart Battery : No

Boot Features
Supports Selective Booting : Yes
Supports CD/DVD Boot : Yes
Supports PCMCIA/CardBus Boot : No
Supports LS-120 Boot : Yes
Supports ZIP Boot : Yes
Supports i2o Boot : No
Supports FireWire/1394 Boot : No
Supports BIOS Boot Block : Yes
Supports Interactive Network Boot : No

Performance Tips
Notice 224 : SMBIOS/DMI information may be inaccurate.
Tip 212 : BIOS can be shadowed so check whether it is.
Tip 211 : BIOS is flash-able and socketed so it can be upgraded when needed.
Tip 2 : Double-click tip or press Enter while a tip is selected for more information about the tip.

(in reply to major9686)