LiteOn SOHD-167T vs. SA300 (Full Version)

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emperor -> LiteOn SOHD-167T vs. SA300 (5/19/2004 3:35:10 PM)

Lets see how the latest LiteOn DVD-ROM drive performs when reporting PI/PIF error rate. We used Nero CD-DVD Speed v2.97beta. You cannot change the reading speed, all scans performed at max speed.

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* Nero CD-DVD Speed Scan
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emperor -> RE: LiteOn SOHD-167T vs. SA300 (5/19/2004 3:37:55 PM)

#2nd Test Media

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* Nero CD-DVD Speed Scan
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emperor -> RE: LiteOn SOHD-167T vs. SA300 (5/19/2004 3:44:32 PM)

#3rd Test Media

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* Nero CD-DVD Speed Scan
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emperor -> RE: LiteOn SOHD-167T vs. SA300 (5/19/2004 3:50:31 PM)

#4th Test Media (Double Layer)

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* Nero CD-DVD Speed Scan
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Dolphinius_Rex -> RE: LiteOn SOHD-167T vs. SA300 (5/19/2004 3:56:20 PM)

wow.... that's DISTURBINGLY accurate with the exception of that one MCC scan.... any idea what's up with that?



MP3Mogul -> RE: LiteOn SOHD-167T vs. SA300 (5/19/2004 6:29:12 PM)

Where can I get a copy of Nero CD-DVD Speed 2.97 Beta? Would someone be kind enough to email it to me? [:D][;)]



emperor -> RE: LiteOn SOHD-167T vs. SA300 (5/19/2004 10:57:45 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Dolphinius_Rex
wow.... that's DISTURBINGLY accurate with the exception of that one MCC scan.... any idea what's up with that?


The problem is that even with quality burns the 167T again reports high amount of PI error rate, not so sure if the problem is that the media is DVD-R, we have to investigate this with much more media...



emperor -> RE: LiteOn SOHD-167T vs. SA300 (5/19/2004 10:59:33 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MP3Mogul
Where can I get a copy of Nero CD-DVD Speed 2.97 Beta? Would someone be kind enough to email it to me? [:D][;)]


Should arrive soon [;)]



Halc -> RE: LiteOn SOHD-167T vs. SA300 (5/20/2004 1:18:19 PM)

It'd be interesting to compare raw graphs from a DVD Pro unit, which offers higher sample point accuracy (smaller sample interval).

It could be that the smoothing is one part why the peaks differ (after scale adjustment).

However, what's more interesting is that it looks like the CATS analyzer produces an overall level of errors that is lower than that of a LiteOn drive. The difference isn't great, but if these samples can be generalized, it is still there.

Often consumer drives are very good at reading off-spec discs (LiteOn/Plextor cd-rw drives can top CATS CD analyzers and produce less causal errors).

It looks like consumer dvd drives still have a bit of way to go, in order to improve their reading reliability and accuracy.

regards,
halcyon



emperor -> RE: LiteOn SOHD-167T vs. SA300 (5/20/2004 2:03:36 PM)

Halc, what is the DVDPro Unit, you mean CATS analyzer?



Halc -> RE: LiteOn SOHD-167T vs. SA300 (5/20/2004 3:45:42 PM)

Yes, DVD Pro is one of the CATS analyzers. But you already explained elsewhere how the CATS scans in these test are done (to save time). You probably don't get raw graphs for the whole disc, just the numbers from the sample points show on these graphs.



MP3Mogul -> RE: LiteOn SOHD-167T vs. SA300 (5/20/2004 4:14:15 PM)

Thank you Emperor, I have received it! [:D][;)]



emperor -> RE: LiteOn SOHD-167T vs. SA300 (5/20/2004 7:48:51 PM)

MP3Mogul there is a newer one, 2.97.5 you want it?



emperor -> RE: LiteOn SOHD-167T vs. SA300 (5/20/2004 7:55:22 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Halc
Yes, DVD Pro is one of the CATS analyzers. But you already explained elsewhere how the CATS scans in these test are done (to save time). You probably don't get raw graphs for the whole disc, just the numbers from the sample points show on these graphs.


Yes there will be no raw data, actually CATS measure area as a single point, so doing a full scan has no meaning for our graphs, you have to split the whole area at many pieces to get many points connecting the lines...



Halc -> RE: LiteOn SOHD-167T vs. SA300 (5/21/2004 8:54:39 AM)

Ah, I was under a different (wrong?) impression.

If you look at the following example chart from Audiodev's pages (it shows an example results of a DVD scan):

http://www.audiodev.com/default.asp?GROUPID=200336141121681

It shows a finer scanning interval accuracy than the results you show. That is why I was intrigued why this was so and I mistakenly thought it was due to a different scanning drive/software.

But apparently it's a setting defined by the scanning operator who can define less scanning points to speed up the scanning process?

Thanks again for all the clarifications and feedback, I'm learning a lot from your efforts!

best regards,
halcyon



emperor -> RE: LiteOn SOHD-167T vs. SA300 (5/21/2004 11:34:02 AM)

Yes the operator can do whatever he wants, can define the measuring area, etc...Our method is what everyone use for their daily scans...



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