Hi all, first of all i want pologize 4 my bad english but i'm italian.
I want know what u think about these cdr.

1) Mmore 1-24x 650mb
Atip Code: 97 28 26
Media manufacter: Multi Media Masters & Machinary SA
Recording Layer: Phthalocyanine

2) Mmore ?x 650mb
Atip Code: 97 27 19
Media manufacter: Plasmon Data systems. Ltd
Recording Layer: Cyanine

3) Bit & Bit 32x 700mb
Atip Code: 97 24 26
Media manufacter: Computer support Italy s.r.l.
Recording Layer: Phthalocyanine


4) Magnex 40x 700mb
Atip Code: 97 26 07
Media manufacter: Fornet International PTE LTD.
Recording Layer: Phthalocyanine

5) Magnex 40x 700mb with black polycarbonate
Atip Code: 97 15 17
Media manufacter: Ritek C.
Recording Layer: Cyanine

6) Homo ?x 700mb
Atip Code: 97 27 00
Media manufacter: King Pro Mediatek INC.
Recording Layer: Disc cannot be identified [:0]

7) Maxell ?x 700mb
Atip Code: 97 25 23
Media manufacter: Hitachi Maxell, LTD.
Recording Layer: Phthalocyanine

8) Philips 16x 700mb
Atip Code: 97 26 66
Media manufacter: Cmc Magnetics
Recording Layer: Cyanine

May you make a classification of quality of these cd? Or simply tell me what is the best and what is the worst (they are all "bad" cdr i know)?

Thank you in advance

hrm, what software did you use to find this data out with? I'm a little curious about the CMC Magnetics CD-Rs and the Ritek CD-Rs that use the Cyanine Dye, which I don't believe they ever have???

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I use alcohol 120% for this information
The cd-r cmc magnetics with Cyanine Dye are old, about 6 months.
The magnex cd-r instead are new, they have black dye same of playstation games.

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Right OK, here goes...

1) and 2) Mmore have used MBI media for a while, they were one of the first distributors in Europe to do so. Their early media was "generic", ie had a 4M/Plasmon/972700 ATIP. Generally pretty good actually. I think you'll find the 2) is actually Phthalocyanine, generally any ATIP ending in a 5 or above is Phthalocyanine (it's written in the standards) and I'm not sure where Alcohol 120% is getting this info from.

3) Not sure, but I haven't heard any bad things about CSI.

4) Fornet is a Singapore-based company. Their cyanine media was awful. I always had good results from the phthalocyanine, but their name is mud in the industry and I believe they've changed their name to Data-On now.

5) That info is bullplop. They are standard Ritek type 7 media with a black plastic disc to make the colouring.

6) 972700 could be anything. It's an illegal (unlicenced) ATIP, usually used by some dodgy manufacturers. Probably ISN'T King-Pro Mediatek!!!!

7) Huh? This is Maxell CYANINE media. Not good media at all :(

8) Standard modern Philips/CMC media. Type 6, not cyanine at all...

Dolphinius, CMC and Ritek have produced cyanine media. Ritek still do (type 1, version L I believe, 32x). Both CMC and Ritek Cyanine type 0 media was utter garbage, CMC more so than Ritek (in fact the silver/dark green CMC media was some of the worst quality media I've ever seen). Ritek type 1 media (type H/K) was good in the main.

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jase1 tnx 4 ur help ur post is very interesting and frankly. I see that, alcohol sometimes transmit a wrong information with cd (example with verbatim super azo he says the dye of registraztion is phthalocyanine). Today in Jewel Case 10pcs of MMore i found 3 differents types of manufacter [xx(]. Now i have 4 different types of mmore manufacers . Same of these at the voice Indicative target write power they say 05H others 06H. Is this setting important 4 quality of cd? I think it's better 05H than 06h i'm right?

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Why Hitachi Maxell Cyanine media is considered "not good" media??
I've been using it for some time and never had problems burning it (I don't know about longevity).

Also I use TDK cd-r (manufactured by Ritek - Dye Type 2: Long Strategy (Cyanine, AZO)) and so far, I never had problems...

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Some day ago i bought some cd.

1) Verbatim 32x CD-R 700MB Super AZO
Atip Code: 97 34 22
Media manufacter: Mitsui Chemical Corporation
Recording Layer: Phthalocyanine (alcohol say that, but is azo)
http://www.instantinfo.de/detailcdr.php?ID=1285

2)Benq 32x 80min
Atip Code: 97 22 67
Media manufacter: Acer Media Technology Inc.
Recording Layer: Cyanine instead the database of instant info say Phthalocyanine. Who wrong?
http://www.instantinfo.de/detailcdr.php?ID=1334

Thank you 4 ur help and 4 ur time

(in reply to Life_Bringer)

Okay, now I *KNOW* something isn't right here! Mitsui never and I mean NEVER uses AZO dye. They totally bad mouth it on their site! not to mention they own the patents on the Phthalocyanine dye itself, and if they didn't use it it would look really bad! ...but I really don't think Mitsui has EVER made discs for Verbatim ????

Try using the nero CD Speed ATIP database, it's usually pretty accurate!

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Ok i tryed Nero and they say it's Mitsubishi the media manufacter, so i think it's an error of alcohol (now i have unistalled alcohol because if it is installed nero don't go) or mine when i write the post [:0]. Anyway nero say that, the dye of registration is Cyanine or Azo

PS: Ok i installed alcohol and they say mitsui, so is a alcohol fault

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seems alcohol lives up to its name : ).

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I must admit that is a pretty embarressing mistake, however, Alcohol 120% is STILL very useful softweare, and I'm sure that they will work on their ATIP database now that they know it is flawed.

I'm sure Tron will get after them about this

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I agree alcohol it's a very good software imho better than clone cd. But if it is installed i can't use nero cd speed or feurio 4 read the information of cd.

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you can fix that problem, it's a setting within Alcohol 120% that is causing that. "The ignore media type" setting causes that problem, and there is one or two other ones I think....I don't run it currently so I can't double check...but it CAN work with Nero CD Speed perfectly

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Tnx now i try it. This morning i visited ur site it is interesting especially the section where u test cd-r. Maybe u can give me one advice for new master. I want to buy Yamaha CRW-F1 or LiteOn 52x/24x/52x. I make many backup's cd but i like the feature Disc T@2. I want if the yamaha it's better than lite on in the quality of write. I hope u understand however my bad english. Thank you

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Check the <title>, Digital??

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Life Bringer: I'm glad you like my site! I really appreciate hearing that! As for which burner to get, all of my testing is done with a LiteON 40125S overclocked to 48125W, so if you buy a Liteon 52246S then the results will probably be VERY simaler. The LiteON's are very good with game backups, because of their proper EFM encoding, and are generally good quality drives with respect to writing quality, lifespan, and price. However, if you are doing a lot of audio mastering, or if you REALLY like the T@2 feature, then you might want to get the Yamaha CRW F1. It really depends what you plan to use it for. As for me, I like the LiteON's for general use, but I would love to play with a Yamaha as well! LOL!

Matthew: Oops! [:I] thanks!

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