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90 min cds and DVD-RW's - 10/10/2002 8:12:31 PM   
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I bought 100 pack of 90 minute cds the other day.. and never thought that my burner would not suppor them. Now i realize that it doesn't.. but i am going to buy a DVD-RW soon (Pioneer AO5 when it comes out)
im juts wondering if this drive supports 90 minute burning.
And 1 other question, what are 99 min cds.. are they just 90 minutes that are overburned? Thanks!
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RE: 90 min cds and DVD-RW's - 10/10/2002 8:16:02 PM   
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Wait to read our A05 review to see if it supports 99min CDs


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RE: 90 min cds and DVD-RW's - 10/10/2002 9:24:14 PM   
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does the A04 support 90 minute??


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RE: 90 min cds and DVD-RW's - 10/10/2002 10:13:21 PM   
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From what I can tell, there IS no such thing as 1 90min CD-R. The CD is either 63min, 74min, 80min, or 80min overburnable to 99min. Anybody who sells 90min CD-Rs that are different from 99min CD-Rs either know something I don't, or are trying to rip people off (not to sound cocky, but so far I'm betting on the second one). I've never found a 90min CD-R that wouldn't burn to 99min on a 99min compatible burner. When ever my store speaks of 90/99min CD-Rs we refer to them as 90min+ CD-Rs, because a lot of burners can get up to 89:59min but not all the way to 99:59min. I plan to purchase an A04 DVD-RW drive soon (I hope!) and I will do some testing myself if there isn't a conclusive answer before then.

out of curiosity, what type of 90min CD-Rs are they? (what factory made them?).


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RE: 90 min cds and DVD-RW's - 10/10/2002 11:26:01 PM   
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Hmm.. i bought them from Ebay.. and they are blank..
So i dunno who made them
Its sliver on the outside that greenish blue tint on the back
havent actually tested them out on any burner..


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RE: 90 min cds and DVD-RW's - 10/11/2002 2:43:10 AM   
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what type of burner do you have by the way? you can find out what factory made them (theoretically) by reading the ATIP info off of the disc. Use CD-Identifier (found on this website) and see what it says. How do you know if your burner doesn't support 99min?


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RE: 90 min cds and DVD-RW's - 10/11/2002 5:32:30 PM   
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Sorry to say but there are really disc's out there that go up to 90 minutes.
I encountered these disc's 2 times.
First was a no-name disc.With an Illegal Atip.
Second were some store named disc's made by DST.
So I tested these disc's with 7 burners from which 3(Lite On 24102B, Mitsumi CR4804, LG-CED8080) are famous for overburning.
No burner could go over the 90 minutes. So I really think that there are some disc's that really can't be burned further as 90 minutes.

Then again most 90 minutes can hold more data as the 90 minutes.

Also it can happen that some media is only supported by a few burners.
So only with the right combination you can burn up to 90/99 minutes.
Even if your writer supports 90/99 minutes overburning it doesn't say that it will allways do it with all media.


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RE: 90 min cds and DVD-RW's - 10/11/2002 5:49:38 PM   
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hrm, I didn't know DST even made 90min CD-Rs! thanks for the info. Now I have some homework to do.... Just wish I knew who the illegal ATIP info one was


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RE: 90 min cds and DVD-RW's - 10/11/2002 5:54:25 PM   
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what's the average price difference between a 90min CD-R and a 99min CD-R, say for a 10 pack or 50 pack? Since I've never actually seen a 90min, I'd love to know.


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RE: 90 min cds and DVD-RW's - 10/13/2002 8:58:35 AM   
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I checked the cd-identity thing on these 90 min cds.. and it said unknown.. so i guess its the illegle one that u were talking about..
Meh.. i guess its a guessing game.. and which media works with which burners


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RE: 90 min cds and DVD-RW's - 10/13/2002 12:29:01 PM   
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Looks like I was wrong for the DST disc's since The Lite On 48125W & the Yamaha F1 can burn over 90 minutes with these disc's. So far much other drives failed.
So it looks like you were right Dolphinus Rex.
Now let's see if I can test some of these no-named disc's.


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RE: 90 min cds and DVD-RW's - 10/13/2002 12:52:09 PM   
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Hrm, now that I think about it...DST making 90+min CD-Rs is a SCAREY idea, those guys hardly work right before any overburning...I'm suprised they'd even try to release a 90 or 99min CD-R! My store has sworn DST off completely due to massive customer and employee complaint.


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RE: 90 min cds and DVD-RW's - 10/13/2002 8:00:13 PM   
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My experience with the 90 minutes disc's of DST is the following.

Platinum (DST) 90 minutes - They burn right with no errors. Still you can't read them after 5 months.

Dynabyte (DST) 90 minutes - Sometimes errors(below 3% damaged.)
but these can last 7 months and maybe even longer . That's my experience so far. But these are picky when burning beyond 90 minutes. Maybe that's the reason why there labbeled as 90 minutes disc's. [?]

I won't say anything about the 80 and 74 minutes media since I haven't heard or found anything positive about them.[}:)]



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RE: 90 min cds and DVD-RW's - 10/13/2002 11:21:51 PM   
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If someone is willing to test out my 90 min cds. ill be willing to ship them out to you guys.. cuz i got alot of tehm!!


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RE: 90 min cds and DVD-RW's - 10/14/2002 8:48:03 AM   
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hrm, depends on your location. I see you're in Canada, but where abouts. I wouldn't mind give one or two of them a good test run :)


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RE: 90 min cds and DVD-RW's - 10/14/2002 1:54:54 PM   
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I think Dolphinus Rex can handle this. Since he has got the Lite On over there which are very good for overburning and also support wses.
Also shipping to him would be much easier.

Do your measurements with wses & nero speed if you can and put the results over here. And use NERO for overburning.(Not the nero speed test. Since my experience is that it is quite inaccurate.)


Also guys you might check the atip with cdr-identifier which probally doesn't recognize the disc's.
So write down the atip and then type the atip in to the database of www.cdr-info.de
A big change that a manufacturer will show up.
Also I am still trying to get some no-named 90 minutes disc's over here. Also I will try to find out the manufacturer.

By the way there is more news.

The Dynabyte disc's were made with a DST stamper but by a European factory. So there not really DST disc's. Looks like DST does a lot of stamper makeing for third parties just like Plasmon.


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