I don't mean to imply that anyone has censored my posts. I just meant to agree with netman that the original intent of the post was lost. You are, by no means, responsible for any attacks.
Of course, the intent of the original post was different from the title of the thread. The intent was to continue to propagate, in a seemingly endless manner, a dubious philosophy. The statements used to support the philosophy were in error. When this was pointed out, the poster became angry and started a personal diatribe. I, unfortunately, chose to respond in kind. The rest, as they say, is history.
I cannot agree with you that copyright laws (brought up in the original post as legal rights of the end user - incorrectly, by the way) are an issue to fight about. They are very clear. I will post the relevant parts of copyright laws of various countries in another thread soon.
The real issue is whether we wish to be bound by these laws or laws, in general. We can ignore the truth (or dismiss it as rantings) in order to make ourselves feel good about breaking the law or we can accept what is true and make a decision based on the facts. That is, of course, an individual decision.
If we do the latter, we can choose to work to change these laws to make them protect honest citizens. That also allows for working with companies to protect their investment, while protecting the investment of the individual buyer. In that way, both of the groups win. The rights of the majority of honest buyers of software are never going to protected by CloneCD! They will never know it exists!
The choice is ours - do we want to help only ourselves and the few people who are on sites such as yours and can "pat us on the back" for helping them, ("stroking our egos"), or do we want to help the great majority of people who will never even know that we exist. I know what my choice is. Others may make different choices.
The same is true for the other topics brought up in the original post. They provoke us to either make mature decisions regarding the issues or to rationalize to protect our own limited or selfish point of view. I prefer to treat MS and others who make software as people who are very similar to you and me. They are not perfect. They don't always do the right thing. (Neither do any of the posters on this forum). I don't always agree with what they do. However, what they do should not affect how I treat them. It is not us against THEM (the big bad government or company or whatever). That philosophy has no good outcomes and is basically a sick philosophy. Repeating unfounded rumors because we want them to be true helps no one.
Of course, as you like to say, "The choice is yours!"
Each of us must make these choices ourselves.
I also want to point out that none of my above statements are meant to attack anyone personally, but to attempt to counter a philosophy that was presented by and defended by a poster.
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