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RE: SAFEDISK V3 CRACKED - 5/26/2002 6:21:42 PM   
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i forgot the question.

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RE: SAFEDISK V3 CRACKED - 5/26/2002 7:20:04 PM   
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Laffin I would just like to say I for one would thank you for the help you have given I am sure there are many like me and as you said we do not want to be reminded about WWII I lost friends in that conflict they are horrible things best forgotten. I still love your Humour and keep the good work up and don't let a Knob-Head like him upset you and I know you won't.
Do I need one of these Spell Check things I am 67 years young.
Kind Regards Zoom





It is very sad that you want to forget the atrocities of the past. Of course, England's indifference to the matters going on in Europe led to much of the problems for the Jewish people and almost cost your nation its freedom (The U.S. must share in the blame, as well). If it were not for the strength of Churchill and the the might of the U.S. - supplying the entire allied forces with military supplies for several years, you would be speaking German right now.

As for a spell checker, this site does not have a spell checker. It does, however, allow you to edit and review your posts. Mistakes will be made by all, but a responsible person will catch most of them (at least a responsible English speaking person - I have much respect for the non-native English speakers on this board). This is something that any English speaking person should be able to do. There are many non-native English speaking posters on this forum who try very hard to post intelligible posts. The least the English speaking posters can do is be a good role model for them. I always tell people that an intelligent person does not need a spell checker. After all, a spell checker will not catch errors that a poster on this thread made, such as the difference between weather and whether. I tell the students that I work with at a leading institution of higher learning on the West Coast of the U.S. that spelling errors are a sign of laziness or ignorance (which is generally caused by laziness). I do not teach English. My areas of expertise are mathematics and computer science, so I have no vested interest in the English language, per se. It is, however, very difficult to take a person seriously who does not have command of his/her own language. I noticed that no European has jumped in to defend your fellow countryman. Not even Clint, who is articulate and well informed, wants to venture into this area.

If you were an honest man, you would jump on your countryman for the obvious dribble that he produced in his response to my post. But you didn't. Why? The answer is obvious. I will leave you with that thought and wish you the best.





So now you are having a go at me now. You have quoted that I am not a honest man. How wrong you are you will never know. What my country man said was not dribble especialy about WWII if you had been around it you would understand or would you? You are just like your government always right and never wrong. Which this time you are and you admit it to boot, that is after you have caused all the friction and leave someone else to take the can which nowadays Americans seem very good at. Also the answer is obvious as you quote he was right about the code and I do believe the other things he said were only said because you tried to make him look stupid and he turned it round and made you look just what you are as he Quotes "an ego tripper" who loves attention and likes to show everyone. That is why I did not jump on him. So it just goes to show even the very so called smart can be wrong sometimes even you Mr Perfect. I don't know him but I do respect him and his views I also think he is a better man than you will ever be and he seems to have more computer knowledge than you will ever know it is gained from hands-on not from reading and searching around the Internet or in books written by people like you. Anyway it is 1.ooam her in London so I am off to my bed and away from you.
Goodnight and Godbless to everyone


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RE: SAFEDISK V3 CRACKED - 5/26/2002 8:28:47 PM   
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Heh, again after some posts the talk for the original topic has moved to other directions. I wish that people avoided direct conflicts and focused more upon this website related issues

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I agree, although, (it sounds like a childhood protest, I am sure) I must say that my posts were specifically on topic until Laffin Assassin took offense at someone disagreeing with him and made it personal. I should have just taken him for what he is and laughed it off, but I care too much about those people out there that are going to be left high and dry by the coming events. But since they don't read CDRInfo and other informative web sites, they don't count, according to L.A.

I still hope that the vast number of readers out there will not be dissuaded from working to get your copyright laws concerning digital media changed to allow for at least archival copies. One good thing about MS's products is that it allows you to make an archival copy for the customer's protection, but discourages casual copying. Instead of attacking MS, we should be encouraging others to adopt similar measures. However, what is occuring is that people are busy pointing out how a pefectly legal copy protection device that is customer friendly has already been circumvented. (Although the time frame and situation were askew). We should be encouraging companies to make similar copy protections, although I personally think companies should allow individuals to buy one copy for an immediate household (maybe 3 or 4 workable copies for the computers owned by the immediate family) instead of one copy per computer.

But none of this is going to happen if we simply point out the error of companies' ways to justify illegal activites.


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RE: SAFEDISK V3 CRACKED - 5/26/2002 8:49:14 PM   
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look burner you are wasting your time they work in tandem, they agree with each other and anyone that doesn't agree with them can goto he.......This is not a first for them nor will it be the last, the problem is they take it off topic and like to get personal...

Now I would like to know what safedisk 3 is used on???? since it has been cracked already


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RE: SAFEDISK V3 CRACKED - 5/26/2002 9:20:43 PM   
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So now you are having a go at me now. You have quoted that I am not a honest man. How wrong you are you will never know. What my country man said was not dribble especialy about WWII if you had been around it you would understand or would you? You are just like your government always right and never wrong. Which this time you are and you admit it to boot, that is after you have caused all the friction and leave someone else to take the can which nowadays Americans seem very good at. Also the answer is obvious as you quote he was right about the code and I do believe the other things he said were only said because you tried to make him look stupid and he turned it round and made you look just what you are as he Quotes "an ego tripper" who loves attention and likes to show everyone. That is why I did not jump on him. So it just goes to show even the very so called smart can be wrong sometimes even you Mr Perfect. I don't know him but I do respect him and his views I also think he is a better man than you will ever be and he seems to have more computer knowledge than you will ever know it is gained from hands-on not from reading and searching around the Internet or in books written by people like you. Anyway it is 1.ooam her in London so I am off to my bed and away from you.
Goodnight and Godbless to everyone




These are my last remarks on this subject. If you wish to make any further remarks, please be a man and e-mail me. You can reach me at the e-mail address listed in my profile.

Get real! No one is "having a go at you"! As a academician, I think that I will maintain my belief that atrocities should be remembered so that they will not be repeated. I have an uncle who served in WWII in the South Pacific and, although the war is not among his favorite memories, he feels that the painful memories are necessary to remind people not to do the same thing again. Since, at 67, you are too young to have served in the war, I think that I will take his opinion over yours. Also, since about 30 million (?) or so Jewish people commemorate (not celebrate) the holocaust every year, I think that I will side with the Jewish population over two citizens of the U.K.

As for the rest, please try reading a little more carefully, there seem to be some relevant points that you missed or may have not understood clearly. The XP software released at or before the official release was probably based on the beta version and did not have a working activation code, as did the early versions available on the internet. I was correct about that. I was incorrect in using the word "is" instead of "was", but the basic premise by L. A. that the activation code was broken at or about the time of the official release because copies proliferated and "patches" appeared was wrong (not that it wouldn't be possible). Many people make unsubstantiated claims to enhance their own image. So I don't think that you can make a convincing argument that your "buddy" was right. As I stated in my post, the fact that XP Pro now has an activation code does not in any way invalidate my argument. I must admit that a software program that "bypassed" the activation code section of program code was available virtually within the first week, according to "informed sources", but the only way that L.A. could have known about this was by reading, as well, since he claims to have only legal copies.

As for my knowledge in the area of computers and specifically, CD burning, I can feel fairly safe in stating that if you do a search of this and other sites that my qualifications in the field of computer science speak for themselves.

If L.A. has been a help to you - great! As I have stated many times, anyone's advice or posts are welcome, but that does not mean that absurdities will go unchallenged. Many of his ideas have been challenged by others, as well as myself. You already know that if you have read the posts on this forum. That's what I meant by being honest - looking at the totality of a thread and seeing what is really being said. This whole disagreement started because L.A. was upset that someone called him on an absurd statement that he made. A smart man would have simply said perhaps I am wrong and would have checked the facts before responding. Particularly concerning British copyright law, which does not allow for the individual making unauthorized copies, including those for one's own use. Some of these matters are simply too important to simply "wing it". You have the post to British copyright law. Check it out yourself. Don't take my word for it.


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RE: SAFEDISK V3 CRACKED - 5/26/2002 9:28:07 PM   
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look burner you are wasting your time they work in tandem, they agree with each other and anyone that doesn't agree with them can goto he.......This is not a first for them nor will it be the last, the problem is they take it off topic and like to get personal...

Now I would like to know what safedisk 3 is used on???? since it has been cracked already





Thanks for the words of advice. I too am waiting for the first official "sighting" of SD3xxxxx. I hear that it is going to be a B****! I really hope that the rumors are false! I'd still like to see the average person protected, though.


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RE: SAFEDISK V3 CRACKED - 5/26/2002 9:33:39 PM   
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John
I am not even going to take this any futher he has even had a go at zoom over nothing and I really think he upset the old guy I really could get stuck into this But I won't I promise!

But I will reply to this
I should have just taken him for what he is and laughed it off, but I care too much about those people out there that are going to be left high and dry by the coming events. But since they don't read CDRInfo and other informative web sites, they don't count, according to L.A.

I have no Idea what he is ranting about here have you? What coming events? For Christ sake I hope they are not going to make him the President of the USA or I'm in trouble or even worse Microsoft moving to Ireland that means the USA will be bankrupt

He also say's.
I still hope that the vast number of readers out there will not be dissuaded from working to get your copyright laws concerning digital media changed to allow for at least archival copies. One good thing about MS's products is that it allows you to make an archival copy for the customer's protection, but discourages casual copying. Instead of attacking MS, we should be encouraging others to adopt similar measures. However, what is occuring is that people are busy pointing out how a pefectly legal copy protection device that is customer friendly has already been circumvented. (Although the time frame and situation were askew). We should be encouraging companies to make similar copy protections, although I personally think companies should allow individuals to buy one copy for an immediate household (maybe 3 or 4 workable copies for the computers owned by the immediate family) instead of one copy per computer.

I don't think you know Burner1000000 and if you do you are not saying a lot about it, but your preaching so much about your sacred Microsoft Saints have you seen this?

http://www.vnunet.com/News/1131606

OH Dear Naughty Microsoft so it looks like they are only against software Piracy if it is there Software which is getting Pirated

Right this is finished as far as I am concerned he can say what he wants now it will be falling on deaf ears.
Enough Said
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RE: SAFEDISK V3 CRACKED - 5/27/2002 2:04:05 AM   
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i forgot the question.

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Yes, it is very sad that people cannot post differing opinions without being attacked for posting them. That way, the board could always be the info center that it mainly is.


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RE: SAFEDISK V3 CRACKED - 5/27/2002 8:36:53 AM   
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Burner i don't think anyone from this forum sensored your thoughts. I just find not good tactic people fighting each other about anything. Since the original topic was about SafeDisk 3, at least in this thread, people should repsond accordinaly.

The copywrite laws issue is/will be something people will fight about. I just suggest to avoid such fights in public, but if anyone decides to post something about, we will not sensor, maybe close topic if things get our of control

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RE: SAFEDISK V3 CRACKED - 5/27/2002 4:53:01 PM   
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John,

I don't mean to imply that anyone has censored my posts. I just meant to agree with netman that the original intent of the post was lost. You are, by no means, responsible for any attacks.

Of course, the intent of the original post was different from the title of the thread. The intent was to continue to propagate, in a seemingly endless manner, a dubious philosophy. The statements used to support the philosophy were in error. When this was pointed out, the poster became angry and started a personal diatribe. I, unfortunately, chose to respond in kind. The rest, as they say, is history.

I cannot agree with you that copyright laws (brought up in the original post as legal rights of the end user - incorrectly, by the way) are an issue to fight about. They are very clear. I will post the relevant parts of copyright laws of various countries in another thread soon.

The real issue is whether we wish to be bound by these laws or laws, in general. We can ignore the truth (or dismiss it as rantings) in order to make ourselves feel good about breaking the law or we can accept what is true and make a decision based on the facts. That is, of course, an individual decision.

If we do the latter, we can choose to work to change these laws to make them protect honest citizens. That also allows for working with companies to protect their investment, while protecting the investment of the individual buyer. In that way, both of the groups win. The rights of the majority of honest buyers of software are never going to protected by CloneCD! They will never know it exists!

The choice is ours - do we want to help only ourselves and the few people who are on sites such as yours and can "pat us on the back" for helping them, ("stroking our egos"), or do we want to help the great majority of people who will never even know that we exist. I know what my choice is. Others may make different choices.

The same is true for the other topics brought up in the original post. They provoke us to either make mature decisions regarding the issues or to rationalize to protect our own limited or selfish point of view. I prefer to treat MS and others who make software as people who are very similar to you and me. They are not perfect. They don't always do the right thing. (Neither do any of the posters on this forum). I don't always agree with what they do. However, what they do should not affect how I treat them. It is not us against THEM (the big bad government or company or whatever). That philosophy has no good outcomes and is basically a sick philosophy. Repeating unfounded rumors because we want them to be true helps no one.

Of course, as you like to say, "The choice is yours!"

Each of us must make these choices ourselves.

I also want to point out that none of my above statements are meant to attack anyone personally, but to attempt to counter a philosophy that was presented by and defended by a poster.



Edited by - burner1000000 on 05/27/2002 17:03:14

Edited by - burner1000000 on 05/27/2002 17:04:53

Edited by - burner1000000 on 05/27/2002 17:14:08

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RE: SAFEDISK V3 CRACKED - 5/27/2002 9:21:33 PM   
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hi boys and girls! can you say 'verbose' for mr. rogers?

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RE: SAFEDISK V3 CRACKED - 5/27/2002 9:41:41 PM   
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OH no he is off again but this time I am saying nothing!!!!
I have said my bit and it is Finished!!!!
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But it's more Important to be NICE!!!

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RE: SAFEDISK V3 CRACKED - 5/27/2002 9:42:24 PM   
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hi boys and girls! can you say 'verbose' for mr. rogers?

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Well, unfortunately, it takes more than a couple of words to try to convince people to do what they should already do.

You might check the following link (especially the discussion with the article):

http://www.pcmag.com/article/0,2997,s=1500&a=27151,00.asp

It appears that John Dvorak believes that internet people are people who want to complain but never do anything to change things for the better. At this point, I can't say that he is wrong. Perhaps the ostrich is a good symbol for many posters.


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RE: SAFEDISK V3 CRACKED - 5/27/2002 9:42:33 PM   
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hi boys and girls! can you say 'verbose' for mr. rogers?

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Well, unfortunately, it takes more than a couple of words to try to convince people to do what they should already do.

You might check the following link (especially the discussion with the article):

http://www.pcmag.com/article/0,2997,s=1500&a=27151,00.asp

It appears that John Dvorak believes that internet people are people who want to complain but never do anything to change things for the better. At this point, I can't say that he is wrong. Perhaps the ostrich is a good symbol for many posters.


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RE: SAFEDISK V3 CRACKED - 5/28/2002 5:21:55 AM   
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enough of this pissing contest. i'll insert my two cents without being a smartass this time. even though it has nothing to do with sd3 (which doesn't exist yet).

i had previously read the article that burner links to. i've been an avid reader of dvorak since the mid-80s, when our civil liberties began to erode quickly in order to make money for the yuppies. he (dvorak) has a track record of being right on in many cases when his opinion was at first thought to be a rant. note also that his article is about the same length as several of the posts in this thread.

you should all read this article (americans anyway, it is an american law) and check out the web site he mentions. if you don't let your legislators know how you feel they will 'dance with the one that brung em' to the party. they don't have the technical savvy that you do and if no one responds then they don't know there is a problem.

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RE: SAFEDISK V3 CRACKED - 5/28/2002 7:01:58 PM   
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At the risk of causing netman greater discomfort, I hope that I have been clear about the point that the coming enforcement of copyright laws and further abridgement of individuals' perceived rights is a problem for people of all nations. Perhaps I need to make my posts a little longer?


Just remember if I am wrong, you have lost very little and have possibly gained a hedge against future encroachments. However if those who believe that there is no problem are wrong, then everyone is scr**ed! We will have tighter laws, tighter enforcement and safeguards against CloneCD and other similar stopgap devices and no way back! That's a high price to pay for not being willing to contact your local authorities in your country and make sure that laws are clearly written to allow you to have archival copies!

As I am studying the copyright laws of different countries, I am surprised to learn that there are few countries that specifically protect such rights. If it is not clearly spelled out in the copyright law, then it is not allowed. For example, countries such as the U.K. can very quickly tighten up by simple enforcing their copyright law. The U.K. has no right of archival copying for the individual, therefore, they can allow any copy protection the WIPO approves, even the digital "keys" and there is nothing, at present, that anyone can do. More on a different thread.




Edited by - burner1000000 on 05/28/2002 19:04:32
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Edited by - burner1000000 on 05/28/2002 19:05:38

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