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NEW firmware for LTR-24102B version 5S54 - 11/22/2001 5:25:14 AM   
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http://www.liteonit.com.tw/webfw/LTR-24102B/USER/R245S54.zip

1. Reduce failure rate when burning.
2. Fit for new hardware design.
* Note: New hardware with 5S50~5S9F,
can't be flash back to 5S00~5S4F.

Expect a test from me soon!!!!

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RE: NEW firmware for LTR-24102B version 5S54 - 11/22/2001 8:01:54 AM   
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Go for it!

Visit www.cdrinfo.com - The Recording Authority

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RE: NEW firmware for LTR-24102B version 5S54 - 11/22/2001 9:03:39 AM   
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HUH ??!?!!!

WHAT new hardware design?
WHAT 5S50~5S9F??? And for that matter, 5S00~5S4F??????

I got my drive the FIRST day it was released in the US.
That was firmware 5S01.
Then it was 5S04, 5S07, 5S0D, etc.

I wish these guys would hire better translators!

Anyway, Thanks Freak & John

PS: Hey, Freak, does the DOS back-flash to 5S07 still work, or is this the end of that?

And Happy Thanksgiving to ALL!

Edited by - arklab on 11/22/2001 09:10:57

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RE: NEW firmware for LTR-24102B version 5S54 - 11/22/2001 9:52:57 AM   
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This firmware is designed for the new batch of LTR-24102B that has a different hardware layout from the previous ones. It is only applicable for drives with firmware 5S5x - 5S9x. Do not try to update it to drives with firmware 5S0x - 5S4x, which most of us have.


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RE: NEW firmware for LTR-24102B version 5S54 - 11/22/2001 10:16:36 AM   
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Wrong.

It also works on older drives!!!

But newer drives shipped with 5S5x firmware which is the newer revision won't work with the older firmwares(before 5S5x)!!!!!!!

My drive still works at least......

Preparing a small test for you all......


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RE: NEW firmware for LTR-24102B version 5S54 - 11/23/2001 3:38:23 PM   
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Hmm whatz new about the new batch of LiteOns? Better laser?

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RE: NEW firmware for LTR-24102B version 5S54 - 11/24/2001 3:29:02 AM   
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Maybe the only thing new is the downgrade flash prevention?


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RE: NEW firmware for LTR-24102B version 5S54 - 11/24/2001 7:13:57 PM   
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Hi

Sorry for my bad english.

I bought my Liteon 24102B today.

First I want to update Firmware 5S07
to the new one from LiteONit.com
When I start the UpdateProgramm it ask me if it do it.
I click on "yes" and then my Win98 seems to hang up and nothing going on. What do I false?






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RE: NEW firmware for LTR-24102B version 5S54 - 11/24/2001 10:12:21 PM   
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Disable DMA, boot, reflash.

Finish flash, boot.

Enable DMA.

Boot.

Your done.


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RE: NEW firmware for LTR-24102B version 5S54 - 11/26/2001 10:56:03 AM   
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I look forward to your test results...
Particularly in relation to SD2 and laserlock

I have to confess, I'm worried.

We have been here before at Plextor.

Macrovision (allegedly) leant on the nice Plextor folks to persuade them to produce drives (like most other folks) that had the EFM problem. Suddenly we found that the old firmwares were removed from the website, and that poor unfortunates who 'upgraded' to new firmwares suddenly discovered a new effectiveness to SD2. Only the lucky folks who had downloaded their original firmware as a backup were saved...
...New drives apparently don't take the old firmwares even if you can ge them.

Have Lite-on been got at? Or is this new revision music to our ears? (or speed to our copiers)

Incidentally... the group suggests that DMA should be on. Why is this, and why is it not the default if it is a good idea?

Cheers D
P.S. I agree that Windows ME is bin-fodder. Win98SE is what you want


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RE: NEW firmware for LTR-24102B version 5S54 - 11/26/2001 6:15:48 PM   
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WTF?!
samois

Its people like you that go around spreading useless rumours! If you want to go somewhere where people know alot and not just give into your pathetic conspiracy theories go to www.welcome.to/cloneclinic

People like you are like drinking bad coffee in the morning!


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RE: NEW firmware for LTR-24102B version 5S54 - 11/26/2001 6:20:23 PM   
HeXiDeciMaL

 

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Well, i've made a 1:1 copy of Max Payne which has SD2 and it works 100% with firmware 5S54. The copy was from a backup tho, that might have affected it.

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RE: NEW firmware for LTR-24102B version 5S54 - 11/26/2001 9:31:07 PM   
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So should we upgrade? I'm running 5s0f currently.


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RE: NEW firmware for LTR-24102B version 5S54 - 11/27/2001 10:35:29 AM   
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someoneoknow bit strong

lots of people got worried by the plex tla 0000 firmware 1004

ok it was a myth but most people got caught up in the net, all but

those who where in a position to test multiple drives

oh yea i find this forum just as useful as clone clinic


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RE: NEW firmware for LTR-24102B version 5S54 - 11/27/2001 8:27:21 PM   
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nicki98.freeserve.co.uk

I know its a bit strong. And I know about those things with the plex's.

But the point of the matter is that these people like "samois", here go around stating & starting rumours as if they were facts without any evidence. Which makes me quite frankly, sick to the stomach!


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RE: NEW firmware for LTR-24102B version 5S54 - 11/28/2001 3:10:38 PM   
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Someoneoknow

Your a bit headstrong and aggressive aren't you
Quick to form conclusions?

I fully accept that what I posted may be incorrect
It was however a researched piece of information from CD-Media World
...and was compiled by one of the alledged authorities on SD2

I confess this chap's expertise exceeds mine, and I do not own a Plextor writer, but my concern over the fimware upgrade was genuine

As to drinking too much coffee it would seem that perhaps you are the fellow with too much testosterone of caffeine.

For the information of the polite and interested below there follows a transcript of the relevant section of the article... which is interesting in any event for those who wonder what SD2 is about
First, let me explain why it is so difficult to make a fully working backup of a SafeDisc2-protected CD...

>>>Begin quote<<<
On CDs protected with "normal" SafeDisc, you have an area of about 10000 sectors where there are always unreadable sectors followed by some readable and so on. This grouping changes from CD to CD and is it's typical SafeDisc fingerprint that is checked by the protection-code inside the executable. This fingerprint can simply be re-produced by writing the image in RAW mode.
SafeDisc2 now also has such an area but also some groups of so-called "weak" sectors. Why are they called "weak"? Well, it seems that these sectors can the read without problems form the original CD, but when trying to read them again from a copy they suddenly seem to be damaged and sometimes can only be read with the second or third attempt - and sometimes not at all! How can this be??
To understand this, you must know that all data is "scrambled" before it is written. Scrambling in this case means that every byte is XOR'ed with a certain value that changes from byte to byte. This is done to prevent so-called "uniform bit-patterns". But if you scramble such a weak sector, exactly that case occurs that should be prevented: You get an uniform bit-pattern like this one: 0x58, 0x59, 0x58, 0x59, ...
So why are these uniform patterns a problem? For some technical reason which would take too long to explain here, all bytes are encoded into 14 bit each right before they are sent through the laser and burned on CD. This encoder is called "EFM encoder". This EFM-encoder may (although it shouldn't if it has been implemented error-free) have problems with uniform bit-patterns that may result in damaged data.
It seems that the writers of certain manufacturers have big problems with this. The burned weak sectors can only be read in the burner itself or not at all...

What's the conclusion of this?

First thought is, that this is a real hardware problem. Yep, sounds quite logical... but only quite!
If it really would be a hardware-problem, why can these sectors then be read in the burner? If the EFM-encoder would have messed the data, you won't be able to read this sector with any drive - including the writer itself.
Also there's something very strange regarding the firmware releases and the approach of SafeDisc2: It seems that this "bug" has been implemented with full intense in newer firmware-releases of some major CDR manufacturers! Affected by this are as far as I know Plextor, Sony and Teac. There seems to be an unholy "marriage" between Macrovision (the developers of SafeDisc2) and these manufacturers...
How I can prove this claim? Well, I did some tests here with my Plexwriter 1210TA: I downgraded the firmware to version 1.01 (which I luckily kept on my HD) and suddenly the writer was able to re-produce these weak sectors like a charm!
Not enough proof? Ok, here we go: I tested with various firmware releases for this writer and figured out, that firmware revision 1.04 seems to be the last "good" release. What a chance that Plextor has removed all revisions below 1.05 from their web page...
And another proof: Newer revisions of this writer (recognizable by a TLA number other than 0000) have been protected against such a firmware downgrade. You won't be able to flash a revision lower than 1.05 to the internal eeprom...
Somebody now discovered that the old firmware revisions still seem to exist on Plextor's servers. But somehow the file-size has changed. When a normal firmware-update package had about 530 kb, these packages only have about 440kb now... is this pure chance or did the guys from Plextor remove/change some stuff in these old revisions? Strange, strange...

So what can we do against this?

Try to get an "original" firmware-package rather from somebody who has stored all old revisions somewhere than from the manufacturers website and flash it to your drive. If you're lucky and the downgrade works you may be able to copy SafeDisc2 now without problems...
But also if this works this can only be an intermediate solution! It can't be the golden way that the user has to downgrade his firmware to a lower revision that may contain serious bugs and eventually has less functionality!
Let's show companies like Plextor that they can't treat us like that! Write them email about what you think about this and tell them that this would be the last drive you have purchased from them if they don't change their manners...
>>>end quote<<<



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