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What max. burning speed can I expect? - 11/8/2001 10:53:05 AM   
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Hello everyone! It's been a long time since I've been here, but I just picked up a new burner, and I've got a few problems. If anyone has any tips, I'd really appreciate the help.
I just replaced my HP 9110i with an HP 9710i. The specs are 16x/10x/40x, with an 8Mb buffer, but no underrun protection. I never had a problem with the old one, burning at 8x, running Win98SE, and then upgraded to Win2000. I have a CompUSA PC, with a 400Mhz Celeron, 256 Mb of RAM, and many gigs of free space on my 2 drives, which are freshly defragged. So far, I've burned 7 discs, all coasters, except the last one, where I dropped the speed down to 8x. Is this the fastest I can expect with this CPU? As long as it works, I guess it's okay with me, but I was hoping for a bit more speed.
Also, I have the burner as a slave, on the secondary IDE controller, with DMA enabled, as per HP's instructions. I tried disabling DMA as well, but I still had the same problems.
The blanks I'm using are 80 min/700 Mb 16x rated PNY discs, by the way, and I've burned at least 100 of them with the old burner, with no problems. Perhaps this is as fast as they will go? Again, thanks for any help you can give me. This place has taught me a lot, and I really appreciate it. Thanks! -The Dog
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RE: What max. burning speed can I expect? - 11/9/2001 2:04:18 PM   
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You should be able to burn at 16X from the HD. If you are having problems on the fly it could be the CD-ROM or having them on the same channel.

Try some Kodak Gold, Sony or TDK media if you are having trouble burning from the HD.

Converting MP3 on the fly can cause speed problems as well on some systems. Be more specific about what you are doing.


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RE: What max. burning speed can I expect? - 11/12/2001 1:33:48 PM   
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quote:
Be more specific about what you are doing.



Okay, how about this - here's the log.txt that was generated when I attempted to burn approx. 600Mb of mp3 files, onto a PNY 16X rated blank disc. If this makes any sense to you, help! Thanks...-The Dog

***attached text follows***


Windows 2000 5.0
WinAspi: File 'Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=4.60 (1021), size=45056 bytes, created 9/10/1999 6:06:00 AM
ahead WinASPI: File 'C:\Program Files\ahead\Nero\Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=2.0.1.28, size=172099 bytes, created 8/2/2001 7:00:46 PM
Nero Version: 5.5.5.1
Recorder: <HP CD-Writer+ 9700k> Version: 1.0N - HA 2 TA 0 - 5.5.5.1
Adapter driver: <> HA 2
Drive buffer : 8192kB
CD-ROM: < 40X CD-ROM> Version: 2.B1 - HA 1 TA 0 - 5.5.5.1
Adapter driver: <atapi> HA 1

=== Scsi-Device-Map ===
DiskPeripheral : Maxtor 91366U4 atapi Port 0 ID 0 DMA: On
DiskPeripheral : QUANTUM FIREBALLP AS30.0 atapi Port 0 ID 1 DMA: On
CdRomPeripheral : 40X CD-ROM atapi Port 1 ID 0 DMA: Off
CdRomPeripheral : HP CD-Writer+ 9700k atapi Port 1 ID 1 DMA: On
=======================

AutoRun : 1
CmdQueuing : 1
CmdNotification: 2
WriteBufferSize: 52428800 (52428800) Byte
ShowDrvBufStat : 0
EraseSpeed : 0
BUFE : 0
Physical memory : 255MB (261684kB)
Free physical memory: 129MB (132980kB)
Memory in use : 49 %
Uncached PFiles: 0x0
Use Static Write Speed Table: 0
Use Inquiry: 1
Wizard: On

CD-ROM (ISO)
10.11.2001

7:54:56 PM #1 Text 0 File Reader.cpp, Line 117
Reader running

7:54:56 PM #2 Text 0 File Writer.cpp, Line 122
Writer CD-Writer+ 9700k running

7:54:56 PM #3 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 4226
First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)

7:54:56 PM #4 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 668
Setup items (original item values)
0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 (CTransferItem)
2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
original CD pos #0 + 326630 (326630) = #326630/72:35.5
relocatable, CD pos for caching/writing not required/required, no patch infos
--------------------------------------------------------------

7:54:59 PM #5 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 1199
Recorder: HP CD-Writer+ 9700k;
CDR code: 00 97 24 01; OSJ entry from: Taiyo Yuden Company Limited
ATIP Data:
Special Info [hex] 1: C0 00 98, 2: 61 18 01 (LI 97:24.01), 3: 4A 2B 00 (LO 74:43.00)
Additional Info [hex] 1: 00 00 00 (invalid), 2: 00 00 00 (invalid), 3: 00 00 00 (invalid)

7:55:02 PM #6 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 803
Prepare recorder CD-Writer+ 9700k for write in TAO
DAO infos:
==========
MCN:
TOCTYPE: 0x0 Close Session
Tracks 1 to 1:
TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x0, ISRC "", FilePos 0 307200 669245440

7:55:02 PM #7 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 831
Removed 2 run-out blocks from end of track 1.

7:55:02 PM #8 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 668
Setup items (after recorder preparation)
0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 (CTransferItem)
2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
original CD pos #0 + 326630 (326630) = #326630/72:35.5
relocatable, CD pos for caching/writing not required/required, no patch infos
-> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 326628 blocks [CD-Writer+ 9700k]
--------------------------------------------------------------

7:55:02 PM #9 Phase 24 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1426
Caching of files started

7:55:02 PM #10 Phase 25 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1426
Caching of files completed

7:55:02 PM #11 Phase 36 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1426
Burn process started at 16x (2400 KB/s)

7:55:02 PM #12 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 1844
Verifying CD position of item 0 (relocatable, CD pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0

8:00:02 PM #13 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 219
all writers idle, stopping conversion

8:00:08 PM #14 SCSI -1046 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1121
SCSI Exec, HA 2, TA 0, LUN 0
Status: 0x04 (0x01, SCSI_ERR)
HA-Status 0x00 (0x00, OK)
TA-Status 0x02 (0x01, SCSI_TASTATUS_CHKCOND)
Sense Key: 0x05 (KEY_ILLEGAL_REQUEST)
Sense Code: 0x30
Sense Qual: 0x09
CDB Data: 0x5B 0x01 0x02 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00
Sense Data: 0x70 0x00 0x05 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0A
0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x30 0x09

8:00:08 PM #15 mmc -1046 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 959
This is not a CD-Recordable

8:00:08 PM #16 TRANSFER -19 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 959
Could not perform Fixation

8:00:32 PM #17 Phase 38 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1426
Burn process failed at 16x (2400 KB/s)

8:00:32 PM #18 Text 0 File Scsicmd.cpp, Line 371
SCSI not using temporary buffers
20 out of 20 temporary buffers allocated


Existing drivers:
File 'Drivers\NeroCD2k.sys': Ver=1.0.0.9, size=44227 bytes, created 8/2/2001 7:00:46 PM
File 'Drivers\CDR4_2K.SYS': Ver=2.5 (094), size=52464 bytes, created 7/25/2000 2:50:00 AM
File 'Drivers\CDRALW2K.SYS': Ver=1.00 (1036), size=22265 bytes, created 10/5/2000 3:00:00 AM
File 'Drivers\CDR4VSD.SYS': Ver=2.5 (073), size=72032 bytes, created 11/6/2001 6:33:02 AM
File 'Drivers\ASPI32.SYS': Ver=4.60 (1021), size=25244 bytes, created 9/10/1999 6:06:00 AM

***attached text ends***

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RE: What max. burning speed can I expect? - 11/14/2001 4:47:23 PM   
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You are certainly using good media.

You say you are recording MP3 files. Are you just copying them as data or converting to wave on the fly? Converting MP3 to wave on the fly requires a reasonably fast CPU at 16X. If you bought the burner primarily to record MP3 files to wave so they can be played on a CD-ROM player, you might need a CPU upgrade to do 16X.

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RE: What max. burning speed can I expect? - 11/14/2001 7:33:47 PM   
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Thanks for the reply! You know, I KNEW I would forget to include all the details... actually, I'm just making a disc of MP3's, to play in my Philips EXP-103 MP3 player. I've done this once at 16X, and a few of the files won't play correctly, either in the player itself, or even on the PC, with Winamp. I kill all apps and non-critical program threads before burning, so I don't think that this is the problem. I hate to admit it, but I'm stumped. Oh well - if this is as high as I will get (8X), maybe I'll buy a new PC for my burner - isn't that kind of backwards? :-)
-Bob
P.S. I just noticed that the TDK discs I also stocked up on are 16X as well. I'm going to give them a shot later on tonight.

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RE: What max. burning speed can I expect? - 11/16/2001 3:45:31 PM   
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The MP3 files should copy as normal data for what you are doing. I would think you shouldn’t have any problem from the HD at 16X. Maybe the TDK will work for you. It appears from the messages that you are having media problems from the “This is not a CD-Recordable” and “Could not perform Fixation”.

The log says the media was made by Taiyo Yuden, which is excellent. I have read that sometimes the ATIP isn’t correct. Major makers will sell templates for the CDs with their name in the ATIP. It shows up as their stuff, but can be cheap stuff instead. Maybe they didn’t actually make the PNY discs.

Get back with how the TDK works out.






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RE: What max. burning speed can I expect? - 11/17/2001 2:04:10 AM   
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Just a thought: did you check the Test Maximum Speed box in Nero before burning... just to see what Nero has to say about it?


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RE: What max. burning speed can I expect? - 11/18/2001 9:16:53 AM   
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quote:

Just a thought: did you check the Test Maximum Speed box in Nero before burning... just to see what Nero has to say about it?



Hi, Freesurf001; yes, I did do that, and it obviously checks the firmware, which tells it that 16X is the max. (I checked those PNY's with CDRInfo, and the write speeds don't show up in the ATIP info, for whatever reason.) I *have* discovered that my TDK discs WILL burn at 16X, but the PNY discs have so far only worked at 8X. I can live with that, and will make my future purchases of media accordingly. Thanks again to all for your help! I really do appreciate it. -The Dog

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