http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/Articles/Specific.asp?ArticleHeadline=Pioneer+DVR%2D107D&Series=0

(in reply to Dolphinius_Rex)

i have just read the review
overbunring: up to 90 min. is it true? i know that pio 107 burn up to 81 min.
can anyone do some test?
thank you

(in reply to Dolphinius_Rex)

The drive does not support overburning. You can burn up to 80min or slightly more. Thank you for the feedback.

(in reply to Dolphinius_Rex)

Excellent review at CDR-Info.

Can I ask why kProbe and Liteon scans are not used?

I'm not saying UM doctor Pro II and Optorite are not good, but it would be interesting to compare the results between the two.

Of course, it's double the work.

(in reply to Dolphinius_Rex)

because everyone has their own opinion of how to test burned DVD media quality, it is probably not a good idea to directly compare scan results, even if the software is the same.

(in reply to Dolphinius_Rex)

Very well said.... I agree with Dolphinius 100 Percent!

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I don't understand Dolphinius answer :-D

My point was and still is as follows:

1) Because the drive chipsets, PUH and mechanics are different between LiteOn and Optorite drives.

2) Because the software implementation of error reporting between UM doctor Pro II and kProbe is different

3) Then testing with both drive/software types would show a wide range of results between media readability and enable one more easily to extrapolate probable (more universal) readability results.

Now the issue is that as long as one uses only UMDP2/Optorite drive X, what one is actually testing is readability in that particular Optorite drive.

Of course the same could be said of other sites that only use a certain LiteOn/kProbe combo, but that's not the point.

The point is that CDR-Info could once again show others how things can be done better by providing side-by-side results using two different drives and scanning software. The results will vary and that variation, possible patterns in them, is what should interest us.

At least to me, having analyzed dvd readability issues for quite some time, those results would be very telling and more trustworthy than the general "hey, let's quickly scan using whatever LiteOn dvd-rom drive we find and whatever kProbe settings we know how to use and using random testing speed" :)

I think I understand the issue reasonably well on low level details as well as on implementation level, so please no "meant fo newbies" blanket answers :)

The only downside I see with using double scanning tools is the extra work and I can completely understand if it is not done for that reason. I mean the test pattern CDR-Info already uses is extremely cumbersome and beyond the capabilities of all other sites currently.

Best regards,
Halcyon

PS Of course low level measurements from the burned disc along with low level data from the burner/reader would be even better, but most of us don't have a spare Datarius/Cats/Koch lying around in some corner :)

(in reply to Dolphinius_Rex)

You can find something like the one you asked for here:

http://www.cdrinfo.com/My/MediaTests/Tester/ViewTests/Home.aspx

You must become a member first, though.

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Well, what I'm saying is, if we can't even get to the point where we agree how to use one piece of software to give a useful report of burn quality, it won't matter if other software gives us different results, or even 100% the same results, since we won't be able to agree on that either [B)]

There are so many variables that have to be taken into account as well. Such as testing speed, drive make, and how much the results are being influenced by the drive's error correcting abilities. And this is saying nothing of the Sum ECC value.

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Originally posted by Bagbug

With the latest version of Nero , you can burn 4x Verbatim @ 8x

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That's interesting. I've tried Nero 6.3.0.3 with my Pioneer 107, but 4x is the highest it recognizes. There isn't even any option to select 4x burn speed. Yes, I'm using Verbatim 4x DVD-R media.

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Originally posted by ShePearl

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Originally posted by Bagbug

With the latest version of Nero , you can burn 4x Verbatim @ 8x

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That's interesting. I've tried Nero 6.3.0.3 with my Pioneer 107, but 4x is the highest it recognizes. There isn't even any option to select 4x burn speed. Yes, I'm using Verbatim 4x DVD-R media.

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Yesterday I even burn a noname DVD-R 4x @ 8x and whatched the movie on my cheap GE DVD player and it plays fine !!

(in reply to Dolphinius_Rex)

Bagbug,

are you using the hacked v1.05 firmware ?

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Originally posted by ShePearl

Bagbug,

are you using the hacked v1.05 firmware ?

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Yes but you dont need the hacked firmware if you have Verbatim. Only latest Nero (6.3.0.3).

Bag

(in reply to Dolphinius_Rex)

Hmm... I'm currently using v1.05 firmware (normal, factory deafult firmware) with the latest Nero 6.3.0.3 But 8x burning option is not even available in Nero. Again, I'm using Verbatim 4x certified DVD-Rs.

Very strange.. :(

(in reply to Dolphinius_Rex)

from dvdrhelp.com (before the hacked firmware was released). I also saw another thread on the same topic, but cant remember where.

<< Updated Nero, to latest version that enabled 8x option.

Burned 4x Verbatim at 8X!

Not had a coaster either.

Tried DVD XCopy & Express still only 4X."

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Comments posted by CMP, February 08, 2004. Rated this writer 9 of 10.
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Is it possible that Verbatim have differents DVD-R 4x Media ?

And btw , when I burned that "noname" generic DVD-R 4x @ 8x , it was because I left the writting speed setting in DVD-Shrink at Maximum (8x is there btw). It always burned all my other DVD-R 4x at 4x but suddenly, when I started using that new batch of generic DVD-R 4x I got , DVD Shrink (Nero) decided to burn them at 8x... I can even see it changing speed from 6x to 8x (spinning faster)

Bag

(in reply to Dolphinius_Rex)

Please remember, that the "firmware" is only going to add what has been tested, and perhaps, after "certified" testing, and I know that Pioneer does, you will see that the particular piece of media you are using, "IF CERTIFIED" will be added at 8X......... they have a pretty reliable "quality" testing lab, and will release firmware, "only" after testing... this can be viewed as a "benefit" to you!

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