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WMP7.1 with ECDC Engine & 2 drivers more - oh NO! - 11/18/2002 6:24:10 PM   
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I'm using Windows 2000 - and now I've got just too many - for my own liking - CD/CD-R(W) drivers !!



2 days ago, I used the "Windows Update" utility to upgrade Windows Media Player - from 7.0 to 7.1.

When I rebooted, there came this message up that Elby/CloneCD's "Sanity Check" had detected something "bad" in CD-ROM Class, and it had now fixed this problem. I can't remember exactly the words, but I think that was the essence.

Well, as I had no idea of what that had happened, I just went along as usual.

But, when I later burned a image with Nero, I got coasters 3 times in a row, even when I rebooted yhe pc inbetween - which have helped before. Lastly, I burned the image with CDRWin at 4x, and this time it was ok.
(I'm not sure if these coaster issues has anything to do with the topic - all has happened on the same brand of CD-R's: "Smartbuy" - the cheapest, worst CD-R's that's available here in Norway - I won't buy any more of those)

Well, to the topic:

As I studied the log from Nero, I noticed that after WMP 7.1 had been installed - I had got 2 more drivers, making a total of 5:

Existing drivers:
File 'Drivers\CDR4_2K.SYS': Ver=2.5 (089), size=52720 bytes, created 02.03.2001 20:55:54
File 'Drivers\CDRALW2K.SYS': Ver=1.00 (1030), size=22585 bytes, created 02.03.2001 20:55:54
File 'Drivers\ASPI32.SYS': Ver=4.71 (0002), size=16877 bytes, created 17.07.2002 08:53:02
File 'WNASPINT.DLL': Ver=V1.17, size=55808 bytes, created 19.09.2002 00:00:00
File 'Drivers\Ultra.sys': Ver= 1.60 (Build 33), size=37338 bytes, created 19.09.2000 11:58:54 (Adapter driver for rec)


The new ones, CDR4_2K.SYS and CDRALW2K.SYS have I now traced to WMP 7.1's cd-recording option:
C:\Program Files\Adaptec\Shared\ECDC Engine\wmburn.exe

I don't like all these drivers!
It's bad enough with RealOnePlayer's drivers - but they are at least hidden inside a \Real\ subfolder, so only Real itself is affected by them. So does CDRWin, if I've understood it correctly.
But Adaptec, no, they must place theirs inside
C:\WINNT\system32\drivers
- making sure every application will have to deal with them... [xx(]

There can't be any need for this?
I will never use WMP to burn a cd - therefore I won't need the ECDC Engine either.

But - I would like to be able to play some files with WMP 7.1 !
I've been using the good, old MP 6.4 - and also MP 5.0 (for it's frame-by-frame options) - but lately,
I've discovered that some files/formats/codecs seem to play *much* better on WMP 7.0 than on MP 6.4 -
DivX movies, ASF and WMV - among others. Therefore the WMP 7.0 -> WMP 7.1 upgrade.

I seem to recall that when I installed WMP 7.0, I had the option to decide if I wanted WMP to record cd's or not ?


I've checked inside the registry - and this is what I found:


[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Class\{4D36E965-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}]
"Class"="CDROM"
@="DVD/CD-ROM drives"
"EnumPropPages32"="MmSys.Cpl,MediaPropPageProvider"
"Installer32"="storprop.dll,DvdClassInstaller"
"SilentInstall"="1"
"NoInstallClass"="1"
"TroubleShooter-0"="tshoot.chm,hdw_drives.htm"
"Icon"="-51"
"LowerFilters"=hex(7):45,00,6c,00,62,00,79,00,43,00,44,00,46,00,4c,00,00,00,00,\
00
"UpperFilters"=hex(7):43,00,64,00,72,00,61,00,6c,00,77,00,32,00,6b,00,00,00,00,\
00


If I translate from hex:

LowerFilters = ElbyCDFL - I guess this was the one the "Sanity Check" "fixed" ...?
UpperFilters = Cdralw2k - but this one is the work of the ECDC Engine

***************************************************************************************

To summarize - I have this question :


Is there a way to make the ECDC disappear, with its 2 drivers and registry entries - without removing the whole WMP 7.1 ?
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RE: WMP7.1 with ECDC Engine & 2 drivers more - oh NO! - 11/19/2002 3:42:04 AM   
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Tried to install the latest Windows Media Player 8.0?


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RE: WMP7.1 with ECDC Engine & 2 drivers more - oh NO! - 11/19/2002 8:10:20 AM   
clokkevi

 

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Eh - no..?

Windows Media Player 8.0 ?

Hmm.. until now, I've really wondered why this version 8.0 never showed up...
As a Windows 2000 user, I've been looking at the /windowsmedia/ site,
finding version 7.1... and then the next version seemed to be the beta - now RC1 -
of version 9.0 - eh, Series 9, that is.

But, since you're telling me version 8.0 actaully exists, I'm lokking again, more closely - and now I see that the player called "Windows Media Player for Windows XP" is in fact version 8.0 !

So - this one won't install that damned cd-recording feature - at least not unless I tell it to do so ?

But are you really sure it's safe to install this XP version even though I run Windows 2000 ?

Or is it some kind of trick I have to use to be able to use it..?


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RE: WMP7.1 with ECDC Engine & 2 drivers more - oh NO! - 11/19/2002 8:16:00 PM   
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Why you need anyway the WMP anyway? I would use a real recording software


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RE: WMP7.1 with ECDC Engine & 2 drivers more - oh NO! - 11/19/2002 9:11:59 PM   
clokkevi

 

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quote:
Originally posted by john

Why you need anyway the WMP anyway? I would use a real recording software



But so would I! Therefore I'll get rid of that ECDC Engine !

I guess my first posting became a bit long - here's the extract:

I will never use WMP to burn a cd - therefore I won't need the ECDC Engine either.

But - I would like to be able to play some files with WMP 7.1 !
I've been using the good, old MP 6.4 - and also MP 5.0 (for it's frame-by-frame options) - but lately,
I've discovered that some files/formats/codecs seem to play *much* better on WMP 7.0 than on MP 6.4 -
DivX movies, ASF and WMV - among others. Therefore the WMP 7.0 -> WMP 7.1 upgrade.


But I'm looking into an alternative :

To play MPEG2 (SVCD) files, I've been using Elecard MPEG2 Player 2.0 - but it has it's issues.
So I've on the werge of trying out PowerDVD / WinDVD.
If tose will play MPEG2 better than Elecard, and ASF / WMV as good as / better than WMP7.1 / 8.0. -
I'll surely use on of those instead. That is, until WMP9.0 encoded media may force me to install that one.
I sure hope MPEG-4 will win. MS is good for Windows / Office - not much more, that's my opinion.



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RE: WMP7.1 with ECDC Engine & 2 drivers more - oh NO! - 11/20/2002 8:58:52 AM   
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For general info on WMP versions and the infamous Adaptec/Roxio plugin, see

http://www.nwlink.com/~zachd/pss/pss.html

WMP 8.0 is XP only, so forget it. On ME, you should be able to remove the Adaptec/Roxio plugin via Add/Remove Programs. I'm not sure any hacks will prevent MS updates from reinstalling it eventually... Definitely stay away from WMP 9.0 for now.

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RE: WMP7.1 with ECDC Engine & 2 drivers more - oh NO! - 11/20/2002 10:05:07 PM   
clokkevi

 

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On ME, you should be able to remove the Adaptec/Roxio plugin via Add/Remove Programs.

Thanks for the tip!

I checked there wasn't anything listed in Add/Remove programs -
so I tried to Change/Remove WMP 7.1 *itself*...and of course!

How did I overlook such an obvious way to do it - sigh.. [:I]

There -
"Remove Windows Media components" -> Next

Windows Media Player Skins           0.6 MB
Adaptec CD-Burning Plug-in           4.6 MB
Windows Media Player                 5.8 MB
RCA Lyra Service Provider for WMDM   0.4 MB




Was it because it was so obvious, so I should be able to figure this out by myself,
that you gave these short, non-informative, out-of-topic answers, John?
I'll try not to be as dumb in the future..!


PS. I just checked the link you posted, KCK, and WOW! that looks like a very
complete site on WMP information..!
I bookmarked it immediatly and will go there when I wonder about anything regarding WMP !
BIG thanks again!



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RE: WMP7.1 with ECDC Engine & 2 drivers more - oh NO! - 11/20/2002 11:54:23 PM   
KCK

 

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Glad you've got your problem solved. But remember MS updates...

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RE: WMP7.1 with ECDC Engine & 2 drivers more - oh NO! - 11/21/2002 1:00:12 AM   
clokkevi

 

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quote:
Originally posted by KCK

But remember MS updates...



Fear no more..!

That super site you mentioned showed me how to make sure all Adaptec CD-R plug-ins
never will be able to get installed through any Media Player installations in the future :

Very simple, it was... you just change a single string value from 0 to 1 - ..this value :

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\MediaPlayer\Setup\AdaptecBlock


Once again, thanks for that link!
The site is just propped with info about WMP that I've wondered about for years, and I really love this guy's
"Well-since-Microsoft-won't-do-this-we'll-just-have-to-fix-it-ourselves-then" mentality..!



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RE: WMP7.1 with ECDC Engine & 2 drivers more - oh NO! - 11/21/2002 1:33:42 AM   
KCK

 

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Well, somehow I got the feeling he might be closely related to MS. But then he should know their stuff!

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RE: WMP7.1 with ECDC Engine & 2 drivers more - oh NO! - 11/22/2002 6:24:35 AM   
clokkevi

 

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He knows their stuff, yes, that's for sure..!

Today, I installed Windows 2000 on an empty harddisc at a girlfriend of mine.
Since she has only modem connection, I had burned cds with all the stuff I thought she might need.

So I installed SP3, DX81b.. and then I looked into the registry to make that AdaptecBlock change,
but then I saw it wasn't there. So, one have to make that string, and then modify it's value to 1.

I was a little nervous when I started the
mp71.exe
afterwards, not really sure if it would block
the installation of the ECDC engine... but then I was really puzzled:

I though the installation would just zooom away, not letting me setting any options - but, no, it stopped nicely,
and showed me all the possible options I had when I should install it... except for the Adaptec CD-Burning,
that option din't show up at all !

So then I understood why this topic has been so strange all from the beginning:

It's only when the Windows Update utility is installing Media Player, that one doesn't get the options
of what to install!

So, I guess some of the people reading this thread have wondered : "What? How come this guy says he didn't get any options to choose when he installed Media Player ? "

Sigh...

[:I]


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RE: WMP7.1 with ECDC Engine & 2 drivers more - oh NO! - 11/22/2002 6:41:02 AM   
KCK

 

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If I understood correctly, you employed the registry hack _before_ installing WMP 7.1. This doesn't imply that without the hack, WMP would give you the option of installing the Adaptec/Roxio burning plugin. Well, one could check what happens with a clean W2K installation ... but I'm going to try on my 98SE box, since it's running fine, and any Adaptec/Roxio experimentation is dangerous! So if both your and the girlfriend's systems are OK now, let them live in peace.

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RE: WMP7.1 with ECDC Engine & 2 drivers more - oh NO! - 11/22/2002 6:43:08 AM   
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OOOPS! That should have been "I'm not going to try...".

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RE: WMP7.1 with ECDC Engine & 2 drivers more - oh NO! - 11/22/2002 7:07:54 AM   
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Im not sure if I got your meaning ? - but my new theory is like this:

Installing mp71.exe "manually" : All options - (except ECDC, if "AdaptecBlock=1")

Letting Windows Update install mp71.exe : No options at all. (But ECDC won't be installed if "AdaptecBlock=1")

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RE: WMP7.1 with ECDC Engine & 2 drivers more - oh NO! - 11/22/2002 4:09:55 PM   
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OK, let's try to clarify the situation for other readers.

If you want to block WMP 7.1 or later (but not 7.0) from ever installing the Adaptec/Roxio CD-Burning Plug-in, you should run the adaptecblock.reg file, which contains the following lines

REGEDIT4

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\MediaPlayer\Setup]
"AdaptecBlock"="1"

This will either create the AdaptecBlock keyword in the registry if it is missing (e.g., after a clean Windows installation), or change its value to 1 if it is already there.

If you install WMP 7.1 via Windows Update, you don't get any options on what to install (but the Adaptec/Roxio pluging isn't installed if AdaptecBlock=1).

Now, the question is: If you install WMP 7.1 manually by running mp71.exe, do you get the option of installing the Adaptec/Roxio plugin in each of the following three cases:

(A) The AdaptecBlock keyword is missing (e.g., after a clean Windows
installation);

(B) AdaptecBlock=1 (e.g., after running adaptecblock.reg);

(C) AdaptecBlock is present but not equal to 1.

I thought you had only dealt with case (B) on your girlfriend's system.

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