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RE: In the summertime... - 7/23/2004 12:25:55 PM   
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Oh, come on. The Wright Brothers invented the first airplane, without a doubt. And we did land on the moon, there is conclusive evidence of such a landing.


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RE: In the summertime... - 7/23/2004 4:57:11 PM   
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We did invent the airplane, but NOT the first car..... Laffin is correct!

Landed On the Moon? ROTFL!!!!!!! If we did this in 1969 with an onboard computer in the spacecraft??? LOL!!!!!! A Computer to control the capsule back then would have been the size of the pentagon!!!!!

Besides, how come we haven't been back? How come NO-ONE else has been there....

easy answer: Because it was all a fake!

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RE: In the summertime... - 7/24/2004 6:01:20 AM   
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Oh, come on. The Wright Brothers invented the first airplane, without a doubt. And we did land on the moon, there is conclusive evidence of such a landing.


Hey vbguru_12000
I guess you still think the Moon is made of cheese ROTFL !!!


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RE: In the summertime... - 7/24/2004 9:38:34 AM   
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http://www.valleyskeptic.com/moon_hoax.html
http://www.look-to-the-skies.com/moon_landings_were_real.htm
http://www.apollo-hoax.me.uk/homepage.html
http://www.redzero.demon.co.uk/moonhoax/main.html

These sites, scientifically refute all arguements against the Apollo lunar landings. People need to stop listening to everything they hear and start thinking for themselves.

Just so you all know, none of this is personal, I still like you all.


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RE: In the summertime... - 7/24/2004 10:57:02 AM   
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Yes i also have seen this video that explains why the moon land was a hoax...

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RE: In the summertime... - 7/24/2004 11:13:57 AM   
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http://www.valleyskeptic.com/moon_hoax.html
http://www.look-to-the-skies.com/moon_landings_were_real.htm
http://www.apollo-hoax.me.uk/homepage.html
http://www.redzero.demon.co.uk/moonhoax/main.html

These sites, scientifically refute all arguements against the Apollo lunar landings. People need to stop listening to everything they hear and start thinking for themselves.

Just so you all know, none of this is personal, I still like you all.


Both myself and MP3Mogul both believe that the USA Never landed on the moon and both of us were around when the Hoax took place LOL !!!
Also like MP3Mogul has already said why aint they been back the only thing I can think of it wasn't BIG Enough for the Yanks ROTFL !!!

Supporters of the conspiracy theory welcomed the news that astronomers were to photograph the landing sites. But Marcus Allen, the British publisher of Nexus magazine and a long-time advocate of the theory, said photographs of the lander would not prove that the US put men on the moon. "Getting to the moon really isn't much of a problem - the Russians did that in 1959," he said. "The big problem is getting people there."

According to Mr Allen, NASA was forced to send robots to the moon and faked the manned missions because radiation levels in space were lethal to humans.

Now astronomers hope to kill off the conspiracy theory forever by using the Very Large Telescope (VLT) - by far the most powerful telescope in the world (Something the Yanks aint got the Biggest of ROTFL) - to spot the Apollo lunar landers.

Operated by European astronomers in the Chilean Andes, the VLT has four mirrors eight metres across linked by optical fibres. It can see a single human hair from 16 kilometres away.


I rest My Case LOL !!!


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RE: In the summertime... - 7/24/2004 1:39:45 PM   
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Well, I guess it depends on your deffinition of an airplane...

air·plane    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (ârpln)
n. 
Any of various winged vehicles capable of flight, 
generally heavier than air and driven by jet engines or propellers.

(taken from dictionary.com)

So, if you define an airplane as only a winged vehicle capable of flight, then Sir George Cayley (from England) would have been the first in 1804 with the first manned flight ever recorded... however he was using an unpowered glider, so it could be debated it isn't an airplane... but I've seen some pretty convincing gliders! But let's just say that this one doens't count...

So then the first person to create and fly an airplane would be Clément Ader, a Frenchman. He invented the first powered airplane, which used a steam engine, later deemed unfit for use in controlled flight. However, he did manage to create an airplane capable of taking off and landing through the power of that engine, and bringing himself along for the ride.

But we couldn't possibly have a *frenchman* being the first to make a powered airplane, so most people prefer to look at the Wright brothers, who made their first manned/powered flight 10 years later in 1900. This would be the first gasoline powered airplane capable of supporting a man.

So like I said, it depends on your deffinition of airplane. But for me, I'll stick with Sir George Cayley. He was the first to do a manned flight, and was the one who proved it was all possible (95 years BEFORE Wilbur Wright writes the Smithsonian Institute and affirms his belief that human flight was possible )

And here are some of my sources for those interested:
http://www.100yearsofflight.com/history/timeline.cfm?period=1800s
http://www.ctie.monash.edu/hargrave/cayley.html
http://www.ctie.monash.edu/hargrave/ader.html


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RE: In the summertime... - 7/24/2004 7:29:24 PM   
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I also cannot be persuaded that somebody landed onto the Moon and then return back...not enough material.


What about the lunar rocks brought back? It has been scientifically proven that these rocks cannot be found on Earth. And coming down as meteorites is ruled out due to the fact that the rocks were never super-heated (something to do with the type/ammount of gas found in small pockets of the rock).

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RE: In the summertime... - 7/24/2004 8:03:53 PM   
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Whats up ain't American Robots intelligent enough to collect rocks and return to the ship !!!


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RE: In the summertime... - 7/24/2004 10:22:11 PM   
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According to Mr Allen, NASA was forced to send robots to the moon and faked the manned missions because radiation levels in space were lethal to humans.


Come on, do a little research for yourself. http://www.redzero.demon.co.uk/moonhoax/Van_Allen_Belts.htm The radiation wasn't nearly strong enough to kill anyone. If you're into it, you can click the link near the bottom, it'll give you the complicated PROOF that the radiation isn't a problem.

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RE: In the summertime... - 7/24/2004 11:02:00 PM   
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I will leave this to MP3Mogul because I do happen to know that he personally did some research on this Issue and I could keep giving you links where even the NASA people have got there own doubts but I will still say that I do not believe there have been any humans on the Surface of the Moon !!!
But we would like you to EXPLAIN to us why they haven't be back and landed again now we have the technology to prove that they do land there !!!


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RE: In the summertime... - 7/24/2004 11:10:40 PM   
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tbh, I'm not positive why we haven't been back, except maybe the fact that there's no reason. However, I do know that NASA has tentative plans on going back. They are planning on setting up a waypoint for the future trip to Mars. You also got to understand, it is still expensive to go to the moon, it's not just the average trip into space. So unless they have a real reason to go, I understand why we are reluctant to go back.

I would like to know your reasoning behind why you believe we haven't been to the moon?

Once again, none of this is personal, as I realize I kinda sound bitchy (for a lack of a better word).


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RE: In the summertime... - 7/25/2004 12:02:57 AM   
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Oh Well Here goes just a few of the found out about the Moon Landing :-

1. NASA had reason to hoax because they would have lost billions in funding, and risked embarrassment for failing.

2. Few people had to be in on a hoax.

3. The flags were waving in the breeze. In case you don't know, there is no air on the Moon.

4. Impossible photos, very obvious flaws.

5. There was a big Earth in the window, when they were supposed to be near the Moon.

6. The suits could not handle the temperatures, which were very hot in the Sun, and very cold in the shade.

7. There is no source of light to illuminate the shadows. They claimed that they used no artificial light.

8. Shadows were not parallel. Again, they used no artificial light.

9. There are fatal radiation belts around the Earth. The space craft would have to be coated with lead, six feet thick.

10. The plus marks on the photos are behind some objects.

11. All of the Moon landings were in the same place, with the same features.

12. According to Russian spy satellite photos, Area 51 looks like the same place as the landings.

13. When sped up, Moon walking looks like they were walking (funny) on Earth.

14. The TV images of Neil were from a camera already in place on the Moon. And then we never see the camera.

15. Every photo was perfectly centered and in focus.

16. There was no blast crater under the lander.

17. The photos show no stars.

18. There are two pictures of the same scene, one with a lander in it, one without. In others, the lander has moved.

19. How come Russia didn't go to the Moon, unless they knew it was impossible. A Russian astronaut even says it is impossible.

20. Armstrong crashed the "lander" on the Earth, but nobody ever crashed on the Moon.

21. The ascent stage of the lander gave off no exhaust.

22. One of the whistle blowers (and his family) was killed by a train, and his 500 page report has disappeared.

23. July 20, 1969 had a bad solar storm, which would have killed the astronauts.

24. There is a rock with the letter "C" on it.

25. Most of the insiders have died.

26. There are almost no photos of Neil Armstrong on the Moon.

27. There are photos of astronauts doing lunar things, in which you can see that they are inside a building.

These are just of the Doubts many people have had amd this was covered by FOX TV and the Government could not or would not answer all the questions dosn't that make you wonder why !!!


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RE: In the summertime... - 7/25/2004 8:54:27 AM   
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If you go to this site: http://www.redzero.demon.co.uk/moonhoax/index.html , which I've posted twice now, it'll explain virtually every point you just made. Everything from the flying flag to the cross hairs being "behind" objects is easily explained through scientific fact.


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