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RE: Burners 'wearing out' - 8/31/2002 1:03:44 PM   
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Well I have just done a copy of Medal of Honour with my Yamaha CRW-F1E and it will work on 5 different Computers that I have just tried but I did use AWS so no probs !!!


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RE: Burners 'wearing out' - 8/31/2002 5:09:25 PM   
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What is AWS? i never use that...LOL... Just kidding...


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RE: Burners 'wearing out' - 9/1/2002 5:33:05 AM   
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quote:
Originally posted by Tron

What is AWS? i never use that...LOL... Just kidding...



For people without Lite-On's.... hehe

AWS is by no means a perfect copy as it 'patches' the weak sectors...

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RE: Burners 'wearing out' - 9/1/2002 12:48:56 PM   
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Perfect Copy LOL
As I have said many times AWS is not a patch it is a Integrated part of Clone CD !!!
And it is even used by Plextor Owners !!![:p]


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RE: Burners 'wearing out' - 9/2/2002 2:15:02 PM   
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Yes it patches and yes people with Plextor's need it...

See Plextor & SD2.51 in the FAQ...

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RE: Burners 'wearing out' - 9/2/2002 9:40:14 PM   
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Yes it patches and yes people with Plextor's need it...


No it dosen't patch it is an Intregated part of Clone CD and yes I will agree Plextor Owners do need it !!!


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RE: Burners 'wearing out' - 9/3/2002 12:46:26 PM   
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It 'patches'!!!! How does it technically work then Laffin??

How does it "magically" "amplify" weak sectors that drives without the ability to perform correct EFM encoding of regular bit patterns? I'm curious what you think it is...

And yes, it is definately intergrated into CloneCD (except for Japanese/U.S. users...).


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RE: Burners 'wearing out' - 9/3/2002 3:57:57 PM   
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It does patch it. Just like Insectors used to patch it. Only CloneCD wrote it into the proecess. But it is not a true 1:1 copy. It does work though, but Clint is correct.......


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RE: Burners 'wearing out' - 9/3/2002 6:58:13 PM   
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Well I for one don't give a Monkeys toss weither I get a true 1:1 copy all I want to do is to make a Back-up of my Legally Purchessed programs to cover me incase of accidents to the Original ! As long as the program will install and run correctly from my Back-up that is all I ask and I am sure most of the People who visit our Forum are in the same mind !!!

I just thought I would give you the Definition of A PATCH !!!
Definition of patch is a fix to a program or data set involving a sequence of data that are to be overwritten onto an older version.

A patch is usually developed and distributed as a replacement for or an insertion in compiled code (that is in a binary file or object module incase you didn't know )!

Oh by the way I just thought of another one :-
Patch : A cloth or leather cover which will cover a P.IRATES eye socket When he has only one eyeball !!!

So you are still both saying that AWS is a patch ...LOL!!!

I suggest you learn what the Word "Patch " Means in regarding Software !!!

As I have already said it is not a patch it is an Intregated part of Clone CD and there is a big difference between the Words PATCH and INTREGATED !!!


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RE: Burners 'wearing out' - 9/3/2002 10:09:02 PM   
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Cd Writers manufactured these days roughly have a MTBF of about 100,000 hours given a 70 to 80% POH.


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RE: Burners 'wearing out' - 9/4/2002 6:40:55 AM   
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> a MTBF of about 100,000 hours given a 70 to 80% POH.

Not all drives. Only TEAC drives hae 100.000hours. Sanyo for example gives only 30.000!


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RE: Burners 'wearing out' - 9/4/2002 8:25:35 AM   
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AWS patches/modifies the original code of the weak sectors on-the-fly so that they can be written much easily, but leaves alone the EDC/ECC. This "modifying/patching" is only not detected by SD2 because the error correction of these sectors makes up for the changes, and reverts them back so they appear as the original weak sectors... (ECC/EDC) That's why it's a patch, and definatley not 'perfect' copies.

Such is the reason why it is banned in the U.S. as it modifies the original code by patching these weak sectors, which it is illegal to modify patented programs/designs. But it is allowed elsewhere because it is necessary for people without correct EFM encoding writers, to back-up their titles, much like PSX mod-chips are *legal* in OZ for back-up and play of internationally purchased games (at the current moment, anyways!) (as ordered in a court of Law, against SONY...)


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RE: Burners 'wearing out' - 9/4/2002 8:32:31 AM   
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It scans for weak sectors and patches them on-the-fly via software interferance, not written "as is" (the idea behind CloneCD).

Sort of like an 'in-built' betablocker, but more advanced.

CCD author stated that SAM was a direct copy of CCD 3x's AWS, and is inferior to 4x's AWS - which is by no means perfect.

It's extremely hard to devolop an AWS-like patching algorithm, ask anyone whos tried!!

I hope you understand now! [^]


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RE: Burners 'wearing out' - 9/4/2002 12:30:07 PM   
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exactly.... Nobody is saying that it will not make a backup of your software, just telling the users the fact about how this works. Still a very good program and if a writer can do it by patching then GREAT you go a working backup, but if you can do a backup without using aws patching then you have a 1:1 backup..... Just information......


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RE: Burners 'wearing out' - 9/4/2002 12:51:57 PM   
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I hope you understand now! [^]

Yeah of course I do It is not a patch !!!


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RE: Burners 'wearing out' - 9/4/2002 3:59:49 PM   
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Ok, you win... It is not a patch for your drive. It is only patching on EVERYONE elses drive.


I did not inhale! .......


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