I need a bigger qty of cdrs, currently considering MBIL cdrs.
What to think about CD-Rs made by Moser Baer India Ltd?
..& specifically about their 32x/700MB ("unbranded").

As MBIL is now on the #2 position in world optical media producers, choosing their products can't be very bad choice or what experience you've got?

I've done lots of research 'bout their company/products and although i'm already believing in them as the best choice, your opinion about these got much importance.

Best regards,

Martin

Sorry but we don't have tested MBIL CD-R media

Visit www.cdrinfo.com - The Recording Authority

(in reply to teravm)

Much used isn't an indication for quality.

Now about MBIL cdr's. The only disc's I ever used from MBIL are
EMTEC 80 minutes extra (red box)- No good.(Some can be used up to 79 minutes and not the full 80 minutes.)
MMORE 80 minutes 24x (burnt at 16x even when 24x is selected with the plexwriter 24/10/40A ) - GOOD

However now looking at some test results from some magazines I see the following.

the 24x/32x MMORE (made by MBIL) score very good qualtiy ratings with the plextor drives. However the Plextor drives burn them slower as indicated. The drives made by any other manufacturer screw things up. The disc's give bad results. Now we have seen that there are a lot of problems with the writing quality of 32x and higher recorders.

I still got a box of untested 80 minutes 24x rated Emtec Ceram Guards (blue box)here. The 74 minutes are made by TY.

I wouldn't use them if I didn't have a TEAC / Plextor drive since with most other drives there are problems with the writing quality.

(in reply to teravm)

Thanks.

I just got a box of samples from MBIL as samples (32x/700MB).
On both of my cd-writers (ASUS/Plextor) they give only good results. GOOD results.

Why I am bothering you all? I am trying to start a small optical media recording/printing company and I am looking for good/cheap :) target media.

I know now, that I can trust 32xMBIL media. @ least on quality cd-writers.

Thanks for you all.
Martin Terav

PS! On long term (especially when considering consumer goods) "much-used" is and indication of best quality-price realtionship. One can't rise to #2 producer almost within 3 years making (sorry) ****. :)

Martin

(in reply to teravm)

Thanks.

I just got a box of samples from MBIL as samples (32x/700MB).
On both of my cd-writers (ASUS/Plextor) they give only good results. GOOD results.

Why I am bothering you all? I am trying to start a small optical media recording/printing company and I am looking for good/cheap :) target media.

I know now, that I can trust 32xMBIL media. @ least on quality cd-writers.

Thanks for you all.
Martin Terav

PS! On long term (especially when considering consumer goods) "much-used" is and indication of best quality-price realtionship. One can't rise to #2 producer almost within 3 years making (sorry) ****. :)

(in reply to teravm)

I don't think so that much used says anything about quality the problem with cd-r's is that it is hard and expensive to check how good they really are.

Now Ritek is one of the number one companies a long with CMC magnetics. Now do these companies score overall great.
Well the answer is no.
But why are they used much then ?
Well there cheap and people can't really check the quality of cd-r's. So how's about makeing more profit with lower quality disc's.

Most people don't care about quality but the high-end market does. (audio-studio's and hospitals, tv-studio's (The Dutch Studio's only use TY disc's.)So why do you think that disc's can exist like Mitsui gold of Emtec cd-r master. Which are 3-5 times the price of some white branded (MBIL ) cd.
Personally I would use the best possible quality I could get. But then again it is your companny and if you wan't to make up more money without thinking about quality then you should do. However in that case you shouldn't even have asked here how good some media works.

(in reply to teravm)

Dear RJW,

Pay attention to the following:

"PS! On long term (especially when considering consumer goods) "much-used" is and indication of best quality-price realtionship. One can't rise to #2 producer almost within 3 years making (sorry) ****. :)"

And especially pay attention to the phrase: "quality-price relationship".

Ok, now facts. There are about 2 serious companys who make the technology for these optical media factories. One in switzerland, the other one in Sweden. That means? That means, the production technology in cdr factories is mainly the same.

When you talk about Riteks, Taiyos higher price, it is mainly because of the price of the labour and technology. Ritek and others came to market in the early 90es (when you have at least taken the basic studies in economics, you know that by doing that they were pioneers and pioneers biggest "+" is surprisers bonus and biggest "-" is...? the cost of the tech. Until now they are paying their setting-up loans, etc. And these loans were not small...

Differences in optical media (and in other goods as well) pricings come from the success or unsuccess of branding.

This is one of the most important issues about pricing. But. They also come from testing. Difference between "branded" and "unbranded" media comes from the number and kind of tests they have passed.

But all in all, the product is all the same. Testing costs.

Summary. Now what I wanted to tell You, is that You must not see the world coloured black&white. It actually consists of unifinte # of colours and their variations :)

Why did I ask after all about MBI? Because I am used to collect as much information (opinions, criticism, etc) from as many different user groups as possible.

With best regards,
Martin

PS! You say about cutting in quality and you also mention that one disc is 3 times as expensice as another. Low quality disc you say. Do really believe, that disc which costs 3x more is actually 3x better as well?

PPS! Lifestandard here and lifestandard in your place.. i think they are incomparabale (talking about the savings, talking about the $ average person is able to spend).

Martin

(in reply to teravm)

I have 2 things to say:
1 Check the facts and find out that most CD-R manufacturers and brands don't really care about quality.
Some example.
A dutch magazine tested some Philips 16x (ritek) disc's and the disc's scored bad now Philips said that the batch was just some raw test batch and not a real batch so they would send a new batch.
The new batch performs just a little bit better however still the results are bad.
Philips says that no matter how bad the test results where that there disc's will work correct(in the future)
However after a half year the disc's are tested by 2 other magazines and give the same lame results. So know what does this say. Just one thing Philips is to lame to use the higher priced TY or Mitsui media( which other brands did use and score way ahead and are even cheaper as the Philips disc's) since most customers can't test it and the allready got a good name based on there old Mitsui/TY disc's.

2nd Point Interpretate the facts good. Now 9 of the 10 tests will fail because of bad interpretation. Most times people won't make any hard conclusion or the wrong conclusions.
I personally think that CDR-info is the only site on the net who does testing of writers correct. While there are enough people who go to that other site which I don't know the name of.

For most market's you are right that the quality's-price realtionship is the most important point.
However for CD-R market this isn't the case.

I don't think in black or white. But I am very critical.
So I only would use any material that scores good or best based on my own experience or interpretations.

By the way unbranded TY,Taibotech,Parrot(TY) are also very cheap disc's and score lot's better as most MBIL media. Parrot (TY) has one of the best quality-price relationships here in Holland and Germany that is.

Oh and about the 3x better. Well the MBIL basf extra produced errors after 4 months.
The Basf Ceram Guard(TY) didn't produce errors after 49 months and still works perfect.
So that would be 12x better
And this is a fact so I don't have to believe anything. It is allready proven.

If you looked a little bit better you would have seen that. The big differences are comming from 3 things.
1 Chemical structure of the dye
2 Conditions under which the disc's are made.
3 Optimizing compatibility for burners.





Edited by - rjw on 06/11/2002 07:19:15

(in reply to teravm)