Clint, I'm surprised you just found that out. You people on these forums these days are so uneducated. Well, anyways, I know a guy from Sanyo who described all of HD-Burn to me. I even know the latest about HD-Burn and CD-RWs. However, I will not go off topic here.

All of your Plextor PlexWriter and PX-702A/712A drives (and all those other MSI DVD-RW drive owners out there) have Sanyo's premium 8MB hardware cache chipset installed onboard. However, Plextor renames it as "GigaRec", and also for GOOD REASON. All of you probably think the 2 are the same, just because of the same chipset. Well, tell me this, how come one burner (i.e. the MSI one) burns faster than the Plextor one in DVD-RW 8x, while the other (i.e. the Plextor one) burns faster than the MSI one in DVD-RW 4x? Let me introduce you to something called, "drivers". Drivers are short for the bigger, badder, and more generalized term, "software". Yes, your hardware may be IDENTICAL, BUT MSI drivers enable the HD-Burn feature that Sanyo allows on its chipset, but Plextor goes about to rewriting the whole process that the Sanyo drive uses. The packets are written completely differently, and the pits appear at much longer intervals, thus meeting the standards of the good ole' redbook much better. At GigaRec's 1.4x or HD-Burn's equivalent extreme setting, ALL COMPATIBILITY is lost, which for me, who runs of these drives in my home living room Media Center PC is OKAY. I suggest you all do that. Or if you don't want to pay as much as $1000 on a new, powerful HTPC, then go for a cheap, firmware-upgradeable Apex or Norcent standalone DVD player. You won't be disappointed. And if you are, just change the IDE DVD-ROM drive. DVD-ROM drives of all sort read these "deformed CDs" better than any CD-ROM. Why? Well, for a fact, if you read Sanyo's documentary on HD-Burn, it specifically says that these HD-CD's run at 78x! The most a CD can run at these days is 54x, and that is drive-enabled! My CD-ROM drive can handle 54x on normal CD-R's, but none of yours out there probably can. The most y'all have is probably 40-48x, right? I'm not making fun or anything, I'm just saying it's not cost-friendly. So, even my 54x CD-ROM refuses to read either of the discs, and spits them out useless. Then, I put it in my 2-year-old 8x LG DVD-ROM, and it reads PERFECTLY FINE.

So, to sum it all up:

Lesson 1: these 2 formats are completely different.
Lesson 2: don't use the highest setting on either one of 'em (unless doing data disc that is going to be FOR SURE read on a PC or DVD player with a Sanyo chipset- or firmware-enabled drive).
Lesson 3: use DVD-ROMs to read these damned deformed discs.
Lesson 4: Use 1.2x for audio discs and burn at 4x. Take it from me, this is the OPTIMAL setting JUST for Audio discs, nothing lower or higher will compensate.
Lesson 5: Use the Plextor PX-712A to burn GigaRec Audio disc's just like I currently do. My PlexWriter can't do it, but I don't give a damn less. If I really wanna do it, I can do a firmware upgrade trick on my PlexWriter. However, I have a LIFE unlike some people out there. Besides, HD-Burn owns GigaRec in every field but compatibility. And even there, compatibility is rising and problems are lowering with HD-Burn AND GigaRec. So, if they ever stand at the same level, HD-Burn will be the one to choose. By the way, their creators used to be friends, but now are in different firms, and well, again, Sanyo's been around longer than Plextor, and they INVENTED the chipset that Plextor dares use, so you can see the level of authority and power Sanyo has right now. And it is enforcing other manufacturers to use its HD-Burn technology too, so one day, it will be a national -- if not international -- standard.

Thank you for comin' out. I hope I educated you guys a little bit, if not a lot, today. Please do post any questions if you do have any, as I will be glad to answer them.

(in reply to MP3Mogul)

semendemon welcomem to our forum. First of all thanks for your explanation about HD-BURN and GigaREC.

Its not a big secret that Plextor uses HD-BURN chipsets for their own use, with however different implementation, and of course different results. To be honest i prefer Plextor's solution, check our PX-712A test results, compatibility seems ok, at 1.2X and sometimes even at 1.3X, depends where you plan to use the burned disc...

(in reply to semendemon)

I couldn't agree more ...

If you want more compatibility, go the Plextor way.

If you want more capacity, go the Sanyo/MSI way.

If you want to be loyal to HD-Burn and GigaRec's original chipset creator, then go the Sanyo/MSI way.

If you want to stop being a loser, (Edited my administrator).

(in reply to emperor)

semendemon, if you don't like this forum why hang around? Please behave according to this forum rules or else there are many other places to discuss with such language.

(in reply to semendemon)

Yes my lord. I was merely joking. However, shouldn't it be "If you want to stop being a loser, (Edited by administrator)."? You need to learn your OWN language as it seems, before you tell me to go elsewhere. Don't start beef that you can't handle. Just ban me like the little nerd you are.

(in reply to emperor)

Hey semendemon
I suggest you cool it before you do get banned !!!
And you seem to think that emperor can't handle your beef but let me asure you I Can !!!

(in reply to semendemon)

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ORIGINAL: semendemon

...... Just ban me like the little nerd you are....

so u registered just to get banned... nice point of view.... Keep up

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ORIGINAL: semendemon
Don't start beef that you can't handle.

who do u think is interested in viewing suchs post in a thread like this one??? This is not a matter of ''handling''... this is a matter of being surious...

(in reply to semendemon)

Okay, okay, sorry emp, everybody back to topic. Geez.

(in reply to semendemon)

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ORIGINAL: semendemon
Yes my lord. I was merely joking. However, shouldn't it be "If you want to stop being a loser, (Edited by administrator)."? You need to learn your OWN language as it seems, before you tell me to go elsewhere. Don't start beef that you can't handle. Just ban me like the little nerd you are.

Sorry if i didn't got your joke, english isn't my native language so sometimes I am not get 100% what you saying. My goal was not to ban you, but rather warning first, and removed the offensive text.

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Okay, okay, sorry emp, everybody back to topic. Geez.

That sound better, anything else we should know about GigaREC? Do you have any technical information about the pit lenght and how much % pits enlarged when using the 0.6X/0.7X selection?

(in reply to semendemon)

I'm on it. Give me a few days.

(in reply to emperor)

OK we will give you 3 days ROTFL !!!

(in reply to semendemon)

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ORIGINAL: semendemon
I'm on it. Give me a few days.

Good, cause Plextor doesn't give much details about such technical information

(in reply to semendemon)

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ORIGINAL: Laffin Assassin
OK we will give you 3 days ROTFL !!!

Laffin bad boy

(in reply to Laffin Assassin)

(in reply to emperor)

Ok back to the original topic

(in reply to Laffin Assassin)