Nero CDSpeed 3.21 adds AOpen/RICOH drives! (Full Version)

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emperor -> Nero CDSpeed 3.21 adds AOpen/RICOH drives! (8/18/2004 9:17:49 PM)

Yeap, Erik done it again and now supports:

C1/C2 PI/PIF Jitter
AOpen DVD1648/AAP Yes Yes Yes
52X32COMBO Yes Yes No
COMBO48X Yes Yes No
COM4824/AAH Yes Yes No
COM5224/AAH Yes Yes No
COM5232/AAH Yes Yes No
COM5232/AAH PRO Yes Yes No
16X52X24X52XCOMBO Yes Yes No
16X52X32X52XCOMBO Yes Yes No
CRW5232/AAO Yes No No
CRW5232/AAO PRO Yes No No
DUW1608/ARR Yes No No

Ricoh MP7200 Yes No No Cannot report PIF or C2 errors
MP9200 Yes Yes No Cannot report PIF or C2 errors
MP5120 Yes Yes No Cannot report PIF or C2 errors
MP5125 Yes Yes No Cannot report PIF or C2 errors

Toshiba SD-M1902 Yes Yes No

Full list over: http://www.cdspeed2000.com/go.php3?link=cdspeed30.html




SoBal -> RE: Nero CDSpeed 3.21 adds AOpen/RICOH drives! (8/19/2004 9:49:44 AM)

Curse you Emp! ;) I was going to be first here, but I was at the CDRlab.pl :D
Few weeks ago AOpen passed neccessary information to Nero, and we can see and test the results. You shown above a list of drives, for users not to common with pure h/w should know that AOpen 4410 is RICOH 5120 OEM. Below I'll present you with a few scans comparing the results among few AOpen drives, I currently have:
DVD1648/AAP f/w:1.05 (DVD-ROM)
DRW4410 f/w: 1.19 (DVD+R/RW, OEM RICOH 5120)
CRW5232 f/w: 1.03 (CD-RW)

We are scanning burned CD, 53m26s61f:
[image]http://cdrlab.pl/images/supp/datex2cdrw.png[/image]
[image]http://cdrlab.pl/images/supp/datex2dvdr.png[/image]
[image]http://cdrlab.pl/images/supp/datex2dvdrom.png[/image]

Although the CD-R is the same in all cases, the results are very different.

DVD-ROM DVD1648/AAP : The drive returns both, C1/C2 and Jitter. But it has the same bad point as LiteON DVD-ROM does. It can scan only with the highest speed, so the results should be considered as a 'real' result.

DVD+R/RW DRW4410: Only PI errors, no Beta, no PIF (PO), scan with the selected speed.

CD-RW CRW5232: Only C2 Error, no C1 no Jitter. Scan with the selected speed.

Now trying with DVD+R media.




SoBal -> RE: Nero CDSpeed 3.21 adds AOpen/RICOH drives! (8/19/2004 11:12:30 AM)

Ok, two more scans, now trying Verbatim Pastel TY, media burned with LG GSA-4081B at 4x.

[image]http://cdrlab.pl/images/supp/verbatim2dvdrom.png[/image]
[image]http://cdrlab.pl/images/supp/verbatim2dvdrw.png[/image]
As we see 4410 does not report PO(PIF) and Beta. Althought the speed were set to Maximum it has no influence at the result since the media were scanned with 1.4x speed.

DVD-ROM, even when set to speed 8x (only slower was 5x) it works with maximum speed (ended with 15.76x). It returned information about Jitter, PI and PO (PIF).




emperor -> RE: Nero CDSpeed 3.21 adds AOpen/RICOH drives! (8/23/2004 7:54:14 AM)

I think we can find some time to test the new drives, even i feel the LiteON/Plextor combination will stay at our labs for quite sometime...




Halcyon -> RE: Nero CDSpeed 3.21 adds AOpen/RICOH drives! (8/25/2004 2:20:06 PM)

Can you tell us what was the sampling interval / number of samples using the AOpen drives with the aforementioned scanning speed?

Also, what chipset does Ricoh/AOpen use (Ricoh's own)?

Thanks!




Matthew -> RE: Nero CDSpeed 3.21 adds AOpen/RICOH drives! (8/27/2004 6:09:43 PM)

The CRW5232 result for C2 looks pretty useless - more or less flatlining at 80 average, on a burn that only shows moderate C1 errors on drives that report that.

I'd say it needs to come OFF the supported list!




muchin -> RE: Nero CDSpeed 3.21 adds AOpen/RICOH drives! (8/29/2004 1:18:47 PM)

Very interesting results. Is Plextools available to you for comparison? In my experience, C1/C2 values reported by Plextor drives are better indicators of disc quality. I run tests on audio CDs with CD players also.




emperor -> RE: Nero CDSpeed 3.21 adds AOpen/RICOH drives! (8/29/2004 1:27:18 PM)

hopefully soon we will also run some tests...




muchin -> RE: Nero CDSpeed 3.21 adds AOpen/RICOH drives! (8/29/2004 1:34:37 PM)

Looking forward to your tests.




Halcyon -> RE: Nero CDSpeed 3.21 adds AOpen/RICOH drives! (9/1/2004 3:22:57 AM)

I finally looked at the graphs with my eyes open :)

Looks like the DVD-ROM is useless for c1/c2.

The result is too good to be true, esp. at that scanning speed.

Also, the dvd burner does not report PIF, which might be (according to rdgrimes) be a usable measure of disc readability (in the drive scanned).

And the CDRW burner is reporting perfectly silly figures :)

Unless Erik Deppe somehow pulls magic on these drives, I don't think they look very usable for scanning, imho.

It'd be really interesting to know the Chipset and the Scanning interval, if somebody knows those.




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